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    Posted: 05/09/2018 at 4:12pm
I'm trying to put together a blade rubber combination that fits an intermediate offensive game and doesn't hurt my arm. I like to attack and win points close to the table. I saw a thread on this topic, but it was 7 years old. I really appreciate any suggestions you might have.


I've been playing 3 years with a Bty Innerforce ALC with Tenergy 05 1.9mm on both sides. The total weight of this blade is 180g +/ 2g (my scale is cheap and has a resolution of 2g)

I recently ponied up for a Bty Jan Jike ALC with MX-P 1.8 mm and Tenergy 05 1.9 mm. I can really tell the difference and would keep using it, but it's a bit heavy and hard on my arm. I've determined it is about 3g heavier than my blade above. I'm surprised that 3g is so noticeable? It seems to be really well balanced, but I can see the blade is definitely thicker than the one above. I've used this blade twice and would be willing to sell it for 1/2 price if anyone is interested. It's awesome, but I know I want something lighter. But I definitely see the improved attacking possibilities with this blade. My FH loops had way more power without losing any control. Great feedback and I think I could tame it if I had more time.


Anyway, I'm thinking of buying a Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon and putting Mark V on both sides. Does anyone know if Mark V is lighter than Tenergy 05? I have a friend with this blade and rubber and it was way lighter than my JJALC and the Mark V seemed fine to me. Not sure what thickness I should get. Leaning towards 1.8 mm just to make sure it stays light.


Thanks for your help and suggestions. I'm happy to answer any detailed questions about my equipment that might help you for comparison. I've also used an Innerforce ZLC with Tenergy 05 and that was way way too fast for me. I have a Stiga Rosewood XO with 05 1.9 mm on both sides which is playable, but I definitely prefer Carbon.








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You should try Spintech Carbo Phenom. It´s a very light and powerful carbon blade. And the core is NOT made of balsa.
I believe any rubber you put on it will not result in a heavy setup, since the blade has a compact head size and weighs around 75g. Mine was 72g.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

You should try Spintech Carbo Phenom. It´s a very light and powerful carbon blade. And the core is NOT made of balsa.
I believe any rubber you put on it will not result in a heavy setup, since the blade has a compact head size and weighs around 75g. Mine was 72g.


Thanks for the suggestion TT! Looking at the Spintech blades I'm thinking that Eidolon might fit my game even better and it's just as light. The OFF+ of the Phenom might be a bit fast for me. Very helpful!!
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Here is what you can do:

If you like your new setup ZJK ALC with t05 & mxp I would simply check the weight of the blade lets say it is 90gram (sell it or trade it) and if you like this particular blade get the same one that weighs 85grams or so (3-5 grams less than your current or even lighter). I usually buy from paddle palace and since they have physical store, you can actually call them and ask for your specific blade and if they can check the lightest they have, you will get answer in 5 min.
Blades are very different one from another so if you like your new setup I would just stick with it just get lighter blade. or you can also try lighter rubber (T05fx or Tibhar EL-p).
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I have tried MXP with my blades, I like it but it is as heavy if not heavier than t05 (max). I have a ZJK ALC with t05 max and Fx80 max and weighs 183g but does not feel heavy, everyone who tries it says how comfortable it feels, my son uses that blade now (took it from me). But I tried it with 2 t05s it was too heavy and fast for me.

I found that t05 fx is not significantly lighter than t05, but t80fx and t64fx may be. I personally do not like t64fx.

Slap on an old t80fx and give it a whirl.

You can check mass of rubbers here.
http://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/rubber-sheet-mass-size-database/

If you give up on the blade I will buy it as long as its weight is not on the heavy side.

 
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The Malin carbon with the ST handle is more balance than the FL (head heavy).
When I shop around, the lightest I can find in ST is 86gr and FL is 84gr.

I have the Xiom Vegas 2.0 very light but slow.


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Thanks Ericto, it could be the MX-P and 05 that's weighing it down. I found that rubber database too, thanks for sharing the link. It looks like the MX-P is about 4% heavier than the 05. The average 05 1.9 mm looks like .225 g/cm2 and MX-P looks like at least .235 g/cm2. That's going to add 5g to 10g more to the total weight over something that's lighter. That's a problem with 05 and MX-P for me. When I was younger, I would have no problem I'm sure, but now arm fatigue from repetitive motions is an issue. I should probably do some targeted arm exercises to minimize that. If anyone knows of any, let me know.

I just put the paddle up for sale on Craigslist for $150. I paid $323 total for it. I live in Fremont, CA so that's probably going to complicate a sale to you even further. The electronic scale I bought yesterday tells me the total weight of the paddle is .400 lbs or 181.43g, but the resolution of this scale is .005 lb or 2.3g. I can add weight to it and it doesn't flip to .405 so I'm pretty sure it should be close to 182g, but who knows about the accuracy of this stupid scale. I may go exchange this scale for something better today. Without taking the rubber off and measuring I wouldn't be able to say for sure what the blade weighs.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to help me. May all your shots find the table! Brett

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Thanks taczkid. What you say is very sensible. Paddle Palace may be where I buy my next paddle. Hopefully just not in 2 weeks since, ironically, I pulled the trigger on a Yasaka Extra Offensive 7 with 1.8 mm Mark V on both sides last night. I bought it at megaspin.net again and told them to select the lightest blade from 3 randomly selected blades - not as good as your idea and I have no idea if they will do it. I figure the rubber should be 8g lighter than what I have now. Mark V sounds like it might be a good rubber for me. I'm a little ambivalent about Tenergy and doubt I play well enough to really reap its benefits. Anyway, that's the setup my friend has (he may even have thicker rubber) and his paddle feels like a dream - much lighter than mine. I pray I don't get a heavy one! It's suppose to be on the slow side of OFF+ and so I'm ready to give it try. My friend's attacking shots picked up a lot of steam when he got his, now I know why! I didn't realize it was an OFF+ paddle.

I put my JJALC up on craigslist for $150. It's clearly thicker than my friend's paddle. I'm sure it would be more playable with the Mark V, but I'm not super keen on the handle either having gotten so use to my skinny Innerforce ALC handle.

Thanks for your help!
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The Donic Ovtcharov True Carbon can be obtained in low weight (also because the playing surface is more compact). Combine it with rubbers like Xiom Omega VII Euro which is very light, yet fast and you should have a nice, fast and lightweight setup.
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PM me if you want a brand new Stiga Carbonado 45 FL at a discount. Weight: only 79g.
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axiom omega 7 is much lighter rubber with GREAT mid high gear.
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Just in case someone is still interested in this topic, I recommend the Joola Air Fibre (not carbon) which is very light at 60g and paired with Gewo Proton 323 (e.g. 2mm) will give you a super light set up under 140g! (mine was only 128 g). This fits well my all round game close to the table. If you really prefer carbon, try to find an Andro Carbon Super Core  https://revspin.net/blade/andro-super-core-cl-off-plus.html which can be 65 to 75 g; this is faster than the Air Fibre. Good luck.
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I meant Gewo Proton 325
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Have you tried shifting the balance of the racket by applying a coin to the bottom of the handle? I applied 20 euro cents.
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A decade + ago I had a Donic Dotec Waldner carbon. It was 80g and it was easy to find them at that weight.  tt11 says average is 75g https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/donic-waldner-dotec-carbon. At that time, we were buying T05 at $40 from overseas (tt-japan I think) and a couple of those in 1.9 was awesome on that blade.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Veet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/11/2024 at 11:09pm
Hi,

Typically, Balsa blades are the lightest.... Yinhe T-9, T-10, T-11, can weigh under 75gms..I like the Hinoki-Balsa-Carbon combo... Sanwei too has a very good light-weight blade - Sanwei Feather Carbon.

If you don't mind blades around the 85gms mark, then I've seen Timo Boll ALCs around the 84gms mark, and also Tibhar Paul Drinkhall Power Spin Carbon.

As for rubbers, have a look at the Palio AK-47 series.. Especially, the RED one..





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