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Brand: SpinLord
Rubber ID/Model: Marder
Thickness: 2.0
Colour: red

Uncut Mass: 69gr
Length: 170mm
Width: 170mm
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

<span style=": rgb228, 234, 242;">Weight/area: to me, this is the one parameter that I feel is missing in the major catalogs of TT rubbers. Is there a reason for this? Anyone?</span>


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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Weight/area: to me, this is the one parameter that I feel is missing in the major catalogs of TT rubbers. Is there a reason for this? Anyone?


Impossible task for a manufacture to label ever rubber.....  There are way too many variances in cut sizes and weights within the same rubber production run.  Even ESN rubbers of the same exact rubber, I have seen varying weights and different cut sizes.  Though the ESN rubbers I use most....the amount of cut size difference is small but the weight difference can be bigger because of the sponge production does not allow for exact quality control of density, weight, thickness in a large piece that individual cuts come from.  Good example of this is the production of the DHS sponges.  

So, for a manufacture to state any weight or cut size.....that would be harder to do than a manufacture putting the blade weights and exact thickness on the packaging.  There are variances in production and if they did do this....you would see a blade weight listed more realistically as  85g +-12g.  lol     Rubbers would be worse.   A rubber uncut weight could be  66g +- 8g, density 42 +- 4, thickness 2.2mm +-0.5mm, size 169x170 +- 6mm.   lol   Wink



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Brand: Nittaku
Model: Hammond Pro-beta
Thickness: 1.9mm
Colour: black
Size: 169x179mm
Weight: 58g
Density (g/cm2)=0.192



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@Rich 215
Wait a second, Rich, they do report the weight of the blades as a median, why not do that for the weight/area  parameter of the rubbers? It still would be very useful. Yes, you are right there is variability, but is it really that large?
(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Brand: Stiga
Rubber ID/Model: (ITTF 68-018) Calibra LT Spin
Thickness: 2.0 mm
Colour: red
Uncut Mass: 63.0 g
Length: 168 mm
Width: 169 mm

0.222 g / cm2

(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

@Rich 215
Wait a second, Rich, they do report the weight of the blades as a median, why not do that for the weight/area  parameter of the rubbers? It still would be very useful. Yes, you are right there is variability, but is it really that large?

While I agree with you that it would be usefulThumbs Up, perhaps ask yourself this question: "What's in it for them?". I think that by giving a weight, they may potentially lose part of their potential customers, who might dismiss it purely based on the weight.



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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

@Rich 215
Wait a second, Rich, they do report the weight of the blades as a median, why not do that for the weight/area  parameter of the rubbers? It still would be very useful. Yes, you are right there is variability, but is it really that large?

While I agree with you that it would be usefulThumbs Up, perhaps ask yourself this question: "What's in it for them?". I think that by giving a weight, they may potentially lose part of their potential customers, who might dismiss it purely based on the weight.




 
Yes, I thought exactly the same thing, but then for the blades the weights are reported... I don't know...
(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Brand: Yasaka
Model: Mark V
Thickness: 2.0mm
Color: Red
Uncut Mass: 60g
Size: 171mm x 172mm
g/cm^2: 0.204


Brand: LKT
Model: Rapid Speed
Thickness: 2.0mm
Color: Black
Uncut Mass: 55g
Size: 165mm x 164mm
g/cm^2: 0.203

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Database updated up to this point (finally, sorry guys!).Embarrassed

http://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/rubber-sheet-mass-size-database
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Brand: XIOM
Rubber ID/Model: (ITTF 79-008) Vega Europe
Thickness: Max
Colour: red
Uncut Mass: 56.9 g
Length: 168 mm
Width: 168 mm

0.2016 g / cm2

(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Brand: NITTAKU
Rubber ID/Model: (ITTF 54-007) Hammond Pro Beta
Thickness: 2.1 mm
Colour: red
Uncut Mass: 63.3 g
Length: 178 mm
Width: 168 mm

0.212 g / cm2

(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Brand: NITTAKU
Rubber ID/Model: (ITTF 54-007) Hammond Pro Beta
Thickness: 2.1 mm
Colour: black
Uncut Mass: 61.2 g
Length: 177 mm
Width: 166 mm

0.208 g / cm2

(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Nittaku Fastarc G-1

1.8 - thick
170 * 170
59 gr.

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HOW TO CALCULATE THE RACKET HEAD AREA BY USING A JEWELRY BALANCES.

Blade's head area (summary for 14 blades):

    Classic head shape. =200 cm2
    Oversized head shape = 215 cm2


You may opt to find an exact area of blade(s) of your own.
We would suggest a witty methode to calculate the head area using a precise digital balances (reading to 0.01g) plus A4 sheet of hard cardboard material.
I like it best of all, for invariably giving me true results.

1. Copy down the racket head onto the cardboard sheet and cut the contour out.
2. Find weight of the cutting   (W)
3. Cut out a 10x10cm rectangle from the head shape and weigh up the rectangle (P)
4. The racket head area (S) = W/P x 100 cm2

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Acuda S3 Max: 58.5 grams uncut.
Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL
FH: D09C max
BH: D09C max
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Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Acuda S3 Max: 58.5 grams uncut.

What are the dimensions of the sheet?


Edited by JacekGM - 09/08/2013 at 11:12pm
(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Brand: Tibhar
Rubber ID/Model: Nimbus Soft
Thickness: max
Color: black
Uncut Mass: 56 g
Length: 170 mm
Width: 170 mm

0.193 g / cm2

Brand: Tibhar
Rubber ID/Model: Nimbus Sound
Thickness: max
Color: red
Uncut Mass: 55 g
Length: 170 mm
Width: 170 mm

0.190 g / cm2

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Brand: Palio
Rubber ID/Model: CJ 8000 Biotech (jap sponge 36-38)
Thickness: max
Color: black
Uncut Mass: 66 g
Length: 165 mm
Width: 166 mm
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Tibhar Evolution MX-P
Thickness: 2.1-2.2
Black
169*179 (I've checked it twice Smile)
weight: 73




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Originally posted by mion mion wrote:

Nittaku Fastarc G-1

1.8 - thick
170 * 170
59 gr.


Why the information about this rubber wasn't being updated in the Rubber Database?

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Database updated up to this point. Thanks for all the entries guys, the list continues to grow well!Thumbs Up

You can see the list here:
http://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/rubber-sheet-mass-size-database



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Brand: Nittaku

Rubber ID/Model: Flyatt Hard
Thickness: 2.0
Colour: red

Uncut Mass: 66 gr.
Length: 169 mm 
Width: 180mm 
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Brand: Tibhar
Rubber ID/Model: MX-P
Thickness: 2.1-2.2
Colour: Red
Uncut Mass: 72 gr.
Length: 169 mm
Width: 178mm

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Brand: Xiom
Rubber ID/Model: Omega IV Pro
Thickness: 2.2
Colour: Red
Uncut Mass: 70 gr.
Length: 169 mm
Width: 168 mm
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Brand: Xiom
Rubber ID/Model: Omega IV Pro
Thickness: 2.0
Colour: Red
Uncut Mass: 64.5 gr.
Length: 169 mm
Width: 168mm
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Brand: Darker
Rubber ID/Model: VLON-S Blue V
Thickness: 2.2
Colour: Black
Uncut Mass: 75 gr.
Length: 167 mm
Width: 167mm

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Originally posted by zhijie zhijie wrote:

Brand: Joola
Rubber ID / Model: 40-013/Rhyzm
Thickness: Max
Color: Black
Uncut Mass: 70g
Length: 169mm
Width: 169mm

I have the exact same values on the red sheet of Rhyzm regular (48deg). 70g


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Brand: Donic
Rubber ID / Model: Baracuda Big Slam
Thickness: Max
Color: Black
Uncut Mass: 62g
Length: 168mm
Width: 168mm
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FH: D05/G1/RX
BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro
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