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blahness
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Would like to know about this, if anyone's got it before, how did they overcome it, and are there any known pitfalls to avoid getting it?
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A friend of mine had a pretty serious case of tennis elblow. I think acupuncture helped him quite a bit.
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mts388
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I think my forehand stroke was a little off which caused the tennis elbow. When I fixed the stroke the problem went away. May not be your problem though.
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blahness
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Could you describe the issue and what did you fix? I don't have tennis elbow but would just like to look into it...
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blahness
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Do you know what was the cause of his tennis elbow?
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mts388
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It was about 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly, my stroke was not a straight stroke, but the elbow seemed to go up or down much more that it should have. I think that if I do my strokes correctly I won't have any problems.
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I am surprised we do not have a series of no-nos re. technique when it's about the tennis elbow. Is bad technique a possible vector? why don't we know that already if the answer is yes? is this what you are really asking about blahness?
A couple friends used ultrasound technology to heal their tennis elbow and they came back as strong as before.
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blahness
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Yes +1 I wanna learn more about this... Actually I was watching some Ryu Seung Min videos, and a really interesting advice that he had was not to limit the followthrough to protect the shoulder (very interesting perspective which I've never considered before).... There's also a tennis video which is saying that the abrupt deceleration of the stroke post contact caused by limiting followthrough is putting huge stresses on the body especially the elbow, it's like sudden braking vs gentle braking....
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Relax yoyr elbow and arm more. Also, use more hip rotation and do not swing just your arms.
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between making rackets all night and playing, I started having a lot of this. Braces didn't help. I started doing everything else lefty
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Also beware of texting
Agree with this.Browsing for long periods on a mobile phone can also make the elbow ache,I switch hands to prevent pain
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I had severe tennis elbow when I played with short/medium pips on my BH for years to the point I could barely play once a week. After a few months of rest and then switching to inverted rubbers, I have been able to play 2-3 times a week without much pain for several years.
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blahness
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Lol I'm guilty of this too, mobile phone addiction!
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What style were you playing with the short/medium pips? Were you playing defensive over the table or aggressive with it? I'm curious because one of my 15 year old students already has something that seems like tennis elbow. And she uses long pips on the backhand (over the table chock blocks). That said, she's very aggressive on the forehand and I think that's where the issue is in her case. She also seemed to have had a bad shoulder from a young age.
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Sometimes changing to a different kind of handle can help. FL to ST or vice versa.
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I wear a tennis elbow strap bought at a tennis store (for my left arm) and it helps. Correcting technique is so hard!
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I did have tennis elbow until the start of Covid-19 and it has gone away since then. I am playing again and I now make sure that I do slow exercises with light dumbbells with my arms, this seems to help. Also dehydration hurts the joint and makes tennis elbow worse.
What I did first is watch some YouTube videos about the issue, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTjDq3_D-FU or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLnPdhUOCxM (sorry, German). I think the key point is to strengthen the arm and supporting muscles (not just arm, also back etc.). |
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watched some more videos, it seems that although the affected area is in the elbow, the tendons are associated with wrist movement...
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blocking and punching form BH, staying to the table, aggressively, which put a lot of pressure/stress on the elbow. Never a chopper.
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blahness
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I can see how wristy punches would require a lot of forceful wrist action especially if the equipment is slow... It would seem as if loops especially if powered more by the body would in fact be much easier on the elbow....
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Simas
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Yes, I have/ had tennis elbow too. It started some 5 years ago when I was playing and from then from time to time I feel it sometimes...
First thing when it starts, use ice, then rest for a month or smth .. when you don't feel it start doing special stretches and exercises to strengthen you forehand (lots of exercises on youtube, basically wrist flexing /twisting with a dumbbell). When you start playing use a special tennis elbow strap which helps quite a bit and ads more confidence when playing and as said, try to relax your hand when you play (my FH stroke was quite tensed Imho I suppose..) If you are lucky it will pass and never return again
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I was getting tennis elbow on the transition from forehand to backhand. I've changed my technique to involve more legs/torso so now my arm is doing less of this work and my body is doing more. Pretty amazing I'm up to playing 16-18 hours a week now.
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Lucky guy. I've got a couple of friends coming to the house, so I'm getting around 6 hours a week. I miss the club atmosphere.
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I've joined tennis elbow members club last year. I wanted to sort it out straight away. Plan was to try and treat it without stopping with table tennis. That was right decision as there was only tiny bit of pain and I think I managed to prevent more damage.
Here's link I've found really helpful, I've invested few £ in flexi bar and power ball (dirty cheap on AliExpress)+ I always keep rubber band in my pockets so I can use it when walking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvNiJvzjBwA Link re. massage; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_70oOs9dkwE&t=2s + ice pack in the evening while watching tv. I can't say I'm fully recovered but I feel much better, I can play without any issues, just need to remember to warm up muscles before game. Hope this helps, good luck to all fellow tennis elbow club members! |
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Simas
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Welcome to the club What are your impressions about powerball? There are a some hype around it. Did you find it useful?
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Kontra
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Yes, it does make a difference. There are few instruction videos on youtube how to use it. As I couldn't play during this corona time I decided to put an effort and did warm up/massage/powerball/other exercises/ice on regular basis and I'm happy with overall result. Of course, not playing also helped.
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Thanks for the info. The problem I see here, is that it is little bit difficult to exclude the results of powerball, cause at the same time you also stopped playing and did other exercises. Anyways, does it feel that after doing powerball rotations that your forearm is tired or burning (like you feel after for example doing wrist flexing with dumbbells with adequate weight?)
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Kontra
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I would say it stimulates muscles and makes them stronger. After 2-3 minutes I feel like lower part of hand is kind of tired or as you said burning but that feeling disappears very fast, almost immediately.
I've used power ball before corona but not really on daily basis and it seemed to me it does the job. |
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Sounds tempting Which one did you get?
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blahness
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Necroing this topic as I managed to dig more info out:
So in tennis, it's very well known that the one-handed backhand is a cause of many tennis elbow cases. There are actually a few factors in the technique side of things that they found in tennis: 1) Elbow leading the stroke - this increases the stress on the elbow significantly. Kreanga's technique is starting to look more and more suspect haha... Basically during contact, the blade should in fact be slightly in front of the elbow, not behind. This means that the wrist is in slight extension rather than flexion during the contact. This is something that almost no one talks about in any BH tutorials. 2) Poor technique -> hitting hard without use of the body. 3) Lack of wrist extension in the followthrough - after a violent stroke, if you do not allow your wrist to break and gently decelerate (which is a braking mechanism), the muscles attached to the elbow will have to withstand a much greater load which it's not designed to do. So something like the wrist followthrough of Persson, Samsonov, Falck, William Henzell who allow the wrist extension to happen during the followthrough are the best. 4) Not relaxing the grip during the followthrough, similar to 3) 5) Bad shoulder or wrist strength, if those muscles can't handle the braking your elbow will, so counterintuitively strengthening those parts is crucial to preventing tennis elbow. Powerballs are apparently incredible for strengthening wrist (forearm muscles), and there's plenty of exercises to strengthen the shoulder muscles.
Edited by blahness - 01/05/2021 at 12:53am |
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