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'14 Southern Open - Finals Video |
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BMonkey
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Posted: 09/08/2014 at 10:47am |
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A friend managed to capture (most) of the great finals match at the Southern Open. Hope you enjoy!
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Wonderful match!!!
Didn't think any US born can beat Li Kewei. I was wrong.
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Not bad for a 43 year old guy.
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Whenever you practice with someone on a regular basis, ratings can go out the window on any particular match.
If Li Kewei was never based closed to Jim, this would be more impressive... |
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mjamja
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Butler literally got up off the floor to win that match. He was obviously in great pain when he got the leg cramp. I was really surprised that he was even able to come out for the last game. In an odd way, the cramp may have helped him win the match. Kewei was really coming back strongly, but Butler was forced to change tactics and try to end the points much more quickly than he had been doing. He hit several incredible attacks on balls that he had been pushing or control looping earlier. I think those shots kind of caught Kewei off guard.
It was pretty amazing getting to see those two play from up close. Incredible speed and spin. What really struck me was how strongly they handled the other players attacks. I wish my all out attacks had even 75% of the quality of their defensive shots. Mark
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Baal
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I live in Houston (both these guys live here) and know both of them, one is a close friend, and I can tell you that Jim and Li Kewei don't play together very often at all. They most certainly do not practice on a regular basis. To the contrary, I think they have only even hit together a handful of times including matches in tournaments.
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I'm not from the States but there is something which is universal in TT : if a talented striker plays regularly with a talented defender, he will win more and more.
This is the reason why defenders have no interest to train too often with the people they can face in competition.
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I will take your informed word over mine, though during Cary cup commentary, Jim spoke about kewei moving to Houston and having a chance to practice together. It might not be ongoing, but it all makes a difference. Jim has beaten many good players so this is not beyond him -just special at this age. |
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right2niru
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Very well said and importantly wisely said !
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1. Ma Long and Zhang Jike are not defenders... 2. Ma Long and Zhang Jike are often similarly rated. Maybe you don't realize that Kewei Li is 200 points higher rated than Jim Butler.
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BMonkey
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I think Baal said they really didn't play together. Either way it was a really good match for the spectators. My two cents are that Li Kewei's forehand strategy is what failed him. A) he seemed a little out of practice (must be coaching too much) B) he never changed the type of loop; it was always the power loop.
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What many of you may have missed is the fact that the most important match of the whole tournament, the U1700 final, is being played in the background of video #1 on the far table. A match that more members of this forum might relate to than what is happening on table #1.
I always hate to see my play on video. However, seeing my play juxtaposed with that great play on the Open finals table is almost too much to bear. It looks like someone got the camera to take slow motion video of the background play while getting normal speed for the Open table. I am moving like I am wearing lead weighted shoes and the ball looks so slow when I hit it. Just happy we finished early enough that I got to watch last couple of games of the open. Mark - Miles to go before I get good. |
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Baal
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But you are getting better! Who was doing all that choing? Was that your opponent?
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Actually they have only played together about three times -- in the finals of two tournaments, both this month, and once for just a little while not long after Li Kewei arrived in Houston some months back. Li Kewei won their earlier tournament meeting, I think it was 4-2. They play at different clubs mostly. In fairness Li Kewei has a really heavy coaching schedule these days, mostly little kids (he is fantastic with kids by the way), and I'm not sure how much he really gets to practice at all, certainly never with anybody even close to Jim's level. That's why a lot of really good 2700 level Chinese players sometimes have a hard time maintaining a level quite that high. Jim's practice partners are a lot better (2400+), but they don't play a style even remotely like Li Kewei's. So there are a lot of factors, but neither one of those guys would ever make an excuse for winning or losing. Li Kewei is a fantastic player and I think Jim had to play really well and really smart to win (especially since historically he had some problems with good defenders). It was fun to watch. |
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Baal
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I knew it! Last night when I was watching that match I told myself that sounded like Eddie. Guy used to drive me (and many other people) insane with his choing from adjacent tables, now he plays at a different club so other people get to enjoy that now . I guess he hasn't stopped. It is definitely a generational thing. I am definitely one of those people who can be distracted by that. But my concentration is crap at the best of times. |
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Baal are you sure about this cuz I have heard from players that they do practice. Don't you play at the Houston club on Boone and aren't these guys at Texas table tennis training center. Just curious.
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Baal
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I play both places, but mostly at HTTA, and no they don't practice regularly. It has happened about once (that I know of) and most definitely not regularly. I talk to Jim all the time. Jim mostly plays at HTTA with Niraj Oak, Viktor Subonj and Darko Rapp (who never play at TTTC), while Li Kewei spends almost all of his time coaching at TTTC where he now has tons of students. Jim was actually at TTTC more often after they first opened. Both clubs are good places to play, owner of TTTC is a friend of mine. |
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