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Topic: Fake Butterfly Rubber
Posted By: mavfosho
Subject: Fake Butterfly Rubber
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 5:08am
On the butterfly website, it says that some foreign markets are producing imitation rubber. Has anyone experienced this problem? After lookin at some website stores located in asia, some butterfly are way cheaper, even at half price. What do you guys think about this?



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Posted By: lemoncola
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 7:13am
which butterfly website? can u giv the web address????


Posted By: Ah Hie
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 7:57am

Dont know wheather the bty rubber it is original or not 

try to search at yahoo "butterfly online"



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Butterfly Chinese ULC + Xiom vega pro
Nittaku Rorin + T05
KTS red Label+ Stiga Boot TP
BTY RSM Max + Bryce


Posted By: Ah Hie
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 8:00am
www.butterflyonline.com

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Butterfly Chinese ULC + Xiom vega pro
Nittaku Rorin + T05
KTS red Label+ Stiga Boot TP
BTY RSM Max + Bryce


Posted By: Double Helix
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 8:50pm
Yeah, every popular brand is duplicated in china...i saw adidas clothing going for 5 american dollars...its blantantly obvious

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Primorac-FL
Sriver-EL
Bryce

Might change to chinese rubber on forehand


Posted By: DamienEloi
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 8:53pm
I have heard about that as well. My friend bought a bunch of Srivers once for dirt cheap and found out they were the fake stuff. They don't feel the same and they don't last at all.


Posted By: fadli
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 9:48pm
I don't mind wearing fake clothing barand but not fake rubber.

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Blade : Yasaka Gatien Extra 3D & Stiga Optimum SYNC
FH : Hurricane 3 / Skyline 3
BH : Sriver EL


Posted By: fadli
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by fadli fadli wrote:

I don't mind wearing fake clothing brand but not fake rubber.


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Blade : Yasaka Gatien Extra 3D & Stiga Optimum SYNC
FH : Hurricane 3 / Skyline 3
BH : Sriver EL


Posted By: Ekrips
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 9:55pm

Originally posted by fadli fadli wrote:

Originally posted by fadli fadli wrote:

I don't mind wearing fake clothing brand but not fake rubber.

Yeah because the quality wont be the same, you'll suck more



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(Blade): Avalox Blue Thunder 777
(Black Side): Sriver FX
(Red Side): Avalox Pronte
[IMG]http://www.pingpang.info/images/equipments/avalox/a555.jpg">




Posted By: mavfosho
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 10:50pm
wat do u guys think about presports.com and pingpongonline.com They're both pretty cheap


Posted By: Ekrips
Date Posted: 03/14/2005 at 11:39pm

well, pingpongonline.com isnt fake obvisouly, i like there stuff.



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(Blade): Avalox Blue Thunder 777
(Black Side): Sriver FX
(Red Side): Avalox Pronte
[IMG]http://www.pingpang.info/images/equipments/avalox/a555.jpg">




Posted By: FERROKROM
Date Posted: 03/15/2005 at 2:18am
What do u think abaout presports?i have just made some butterfly rubber orders from there do u think they could be fake?


Posted By: fadli
Date Posted: 03/15/2005 at 3:07am

No, they order their stuff from registered distributor in Malaysia they are the one and only sole-distributor here.

DHS3 provincial team on sale, for those DHS3 lover better check it out!



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Blade : Yasaka Gatien Extra 3D & Stiga Optimum SYNC
FH : Hurricane 3 / Skyline 3
BH : Sriver EL


Posted By: luiz Smorigo
Date Posted: 03/15/2005 at 8:34am
i think


Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 5:52am
FAKE Sriver and Sriver FX






FAKE Sriver and Sriver FX is RM 46 each and REAL Sriver is RM73 and Sriver FX is RM 78
Seller claim that sponge is same but the top sheet is a little bit different... ...
I'll play with my Latika


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Butterfly Photino
Tenergy 05
Tenergy 05


Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 6:55am
You can get fake Bryce speed too and all the Tenergys they are all $3 to $5 on taobao 


Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 8:11am
TQ for the info... But is hard to find Tenergys in my country =[

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Butterfly Photino
Tenergy 05
Tenergy 05


Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 10:15am
Wat?!, T05 for only 28 RMB... that's just $4 USD...
 
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13784740328&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13784740328&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id =
 
 
Has anyone used these?  Please post your reviews....
 


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Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 10:38am
Atin used them and said it was no good as expected LOL. You can get a decent Chinese rubber for that price from a good company so why get a fake tenergy made in someones backyard


Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 10:42am

Fake Tenergy 05 (FX) impressions

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42805 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42805


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Butterfly Photino
Tenergy 05
Tenergy 05


Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 2:42pm

It sounds like it is pretty hard to tell them apart (real vs fake).  We could potentially be buying Fake T05 from this forum, right? 

What is there to do?????

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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27730&title=feedback-tsanyc - My Feedback


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 4:45pm
there are some clear tell tale signs for what rubbers are fake. price is a big deal, and its usually a very obvious discrepancy. Some well known sellers will price tenergy less than what butterfly says (for example, Iruiru), but this doesn't mean its fake, its only like a 5-10$ difference. The other huge give away is something you can see in this fake Spin Art
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12808300910 - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12808300910
There is a gap between the bottom of the rubber and the stamp on the rubber. Real butterfly rubbers have no gap, and the bottom of the stamp is the bottom of the rubber. You can see in pictures 2 and 4 there is about a 1-2mm gap. Finally, sponge color. You cna also see in this product that the color of the sponge is very off compared to the real thing. 


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Nittaku Goriki
Victas VO > 102
TSP Curl P-H OX


Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 8:13pm
If we assume that makeing Table tennis (rubber and sponge + packaging etc) is a technical process then not every one can make it, therefor it (fakes) must be made in a Legal Table tennis rubber manufacturing  company in China, and at some some will be caught out.
 I recently saw some Butterfly Tenergy Rubbers at a slightly lower price, so I emailed to ask if they were genuine, thier reply was yes, so my wife who is Chinese and from the same City asks them and they said not real only fakes lol


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Ulmo Duality,tibhar Aurus Prime Dr N Pistal Black
NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website,


Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by liang1983 liang1983 wrote:

Fake Tenergy 05 (FX) impressions

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42805 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42805

I want to give this to somebody who's never used Tenergy before to see how long they go on about how amazing it is LOL


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Timo ALC FL

Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

He never boosts... of course he never had to...


Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 11/09/2011 at 10:31pm
haha it's funny because you know that's what would happen, OMG Tenergy it's as good as they say. Dude did you realise I gave you a $4 fake one                  ":S"

lol


Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 11/10/2011 at 4:40am
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

The other huge give away is something you can see in this fake Spin Art
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12808300910 - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12808300910
 
Better pay 45 than 120 for the same fake Tongue
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12855853510 - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12855853510


Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 11/10/2011 at 6:42am
I asked my friend from China to order for me, hope can get it before 20Nov...

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Butterfly Photino
Tenergy 05
Tenergy 05


Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 11/10/2011 at 6:53am
I'm looking forward to your damage assessment Smile


Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 11/18/2011 at 5:18am
FAKE Tenergy 05 and Tenergy 05 FX



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Butterfly Photino
Tenergy 05
Tenergy 05


Posted By: GwaiLo
Date Posted: 11/19/2011 at 10:09am
Anybody know what the white sticker with chinese on the back is all about?  It was on the Tenergy that I bought locally in China.  Do you think mine is fake?  It plays just like real Tenergy.

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Blade: Butterfly Photino

FH: Tenergy 05

BH: Tenergy 64


Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 11/23/2011 at 9:10am
colour of the sponge 

back side

tenergy 05 ( not perfect in cutting and shunken)
others got no problems





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Butterfly Photino
Tenergy 05
Tenergy 05


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/23/2011 at 10:05am
I think if there is a way to pinpoint at some fake tenergy showing cake/porous sponge and get always the same then a player can go for it but what if the variation between a rubber to the next is always so significant one has to adjust strokes every 3 months?
Most Tenergy users I know can make their real Tenergy last more than 6 months; some play with one sheet for a year; the record belongs to that JPEN player (usatt 2000 level or close; all strokes with the same rubber) who changes every year playing 3 to 4 times a week.
I will never buy again any BTY rubber for personal reasons but for those who do not care about a brand or another, the decision to buy real Tenergy or not is based on the question: "what is the value of the confidence that I have a reliable product presenting the same characteristics from one rubber to the next?". I say that value is very high.


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Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 11/23/2011 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I think if there is a way to pinpoint at some fake tenergy showing cake/porous sponge and get always the same then a player can go for it but what if the variation between a rubber to the next is always so significant one has to adjust strokes every 3 months?
Most Tenergy users I know can make their real Tenergy last more than 6 months; some play with one sheet for a year; the record belongs to that JPEN player (usatt 2000 level or close; all strokes with the same rubber) who changes every year playing 3 to 4 times a week.
I will never buy again any BTY rubber for personal reasons but for those who do not care about a brand or another, the decision to buy real Tenergy or not is based on the question: "what is the value of the confidence that I have a reliable product presenting the same characteristics from one rubber to the next?". I say that value is very high.


+1.
Agree with this.
Consistency is very important.
I am using IQUL rubbers now (i bought 8 total from same batch) but some post made in other thread say that this rubber became different in other batch and i became worried.



Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/24/2011 at 5:56am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I think if there is a way to pinpoint at some fake tenergy showing cake/porous sponge and get always the same then a player can go for it but what if the variation between a rubber to the next is always so significant one has to adjust strokes every 3 months?
Most Tenergy users I know can make their real Tenergy last more than 6 months; some play with one sheet for a year; the record belongs to that JPEN player (usatt 2000 level or close; all strokes with the same rubber) who changes every year playing 3 to 4 times a week.
I will never buy again any BTY rubber for personal reasons but for those who do not care about a brand or another, the decision to buy real Tenergy or not is based on the question: "what is the value of the confidence that I have a reliable product presenting the same characteristics from one rubber to the next?". I say that value is very high.

I am afraid it's too strict a requirement to ask of those knock-off factories, when even a genuine quality brand like Butterfly that claims "World Leading Quality" has trouble meeting that expectation.

While consistency may be the ultimate goal we all hope for in just about anything, in mass-production quantity has priority over quality.  The same goes for every thing in this world.  Take for example the eletronics, during its product lifecycle inside your gaming console the motherboard and the chips on it can go under multiple revisions that mostly involve simplification with one major purpose - to reduce the manufacturing costs while at the time increase production volume.

This applies to all brands, not just Butterfly.  Your best bet in getting the best quality in a product is probably starting with the second or third batch after its first release in the market, as the first batch can sometimes contain or reveal imperfections during production. This continues well into the first year after release while market share is building and anything after that is anyone's guess.



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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g



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