BBC Blades for forum testing
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Topic: BBC Blades for forum testing
Posted By: rocketman222
Subject: BBC Blades for forum testing
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 8:10pm
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Happy to announce that after losing the lease on his shop this July, Charlie is back to making blades at his new location! Charlie has a new all-wood design(the ghost series) that we were testing before the shop closure, which has been specifically created to address these recent changes to the game
So we are looking for forum members in USA only(as international shipping is quite a hassle), who are interested in testing and reviewing the first model of the series, the "Hinoki Ghost", all you need to do is
Please reply in this thread, if you would like to be part of the list of testers/reviewers. Currently I have 2 weights, one is 84g and the other is 89g, so do specify which one you would like to test. p.s: Hinoki Ghost specs Composition - Hinoki - Hinoki - High density Mahogany - Hinoki - Hinoki Thickness ~ 7mm Speed - OFF Suggested Rubbers - Ideal with rubbers that are 45 degrees or harder on the ESN scale, to complement the soft hinoki outers. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 8:40pm
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Love to try it. I'd be looking to try the 89g one! Thanks! ------------- --- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71705&title=feeback-h0n1g" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Thread |
Posted By: viva
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 8:58pm
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how much does the blade cost? ------------- My trade feedback here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40170&title=viva-buy-sell-feedback |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 9:18pm
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Its currently priced at 99$, however if you want to buy the test blade, it will be 60$ ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: conradyoung
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 10:03pm
| I'd be up for it! |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 10:19pm
Let me know which weight you would like to test. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
conradyoung wrote:Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 10:21pm
fatt, in the event of this happening. we will immediately send a new one to the subsequent tester. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: conradyoung
Date Posted: 11/26/2017 at 10:26pm
| As light as possible please, so the 84g one sounds great. |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/27/2017 at 4:17am
fatt, the Nexy testing you refer to was not an official testing organised by Nexy in Korea. It was organised by me in cooperation with Nexy and I only had a limited number of blades that I have sent to the testers at my own expense. I think the scheme I chose is still better than the previous "we'll give you a blade for free in exchange for a review" in that only testers who liked the blade would be tempted to keep it. It's true that someone may decide to keep it for reselling but the margin would be relatively small. Participating in the Nexy action essentially amounted to posting one's name and waiting, so "committing" was not a great burden, as I see it. Anyway, I understand you are disappointed with either the implementation, or the results. All, apologies for the off-topic. ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 11/27/2017 at 8:24am
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Very good to know that he is able to make blades again. I intendo to buy a 9-10-9 or a Quad Trip from him one day (or get an used one). I'm curious to know more about this ghost series
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Posted By: Bikerjoe3
Date Posted: 11/27/2017 at 11:56am
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I have been playing with a Aspen Ghost 7.3 for about 5 weeks now and it is one of the best blades I have ever had. I am using harder sponge rubber because of the plastic ball and it works great. ------------- Barracuda Blades by Charlie Aspen Ghost |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 11/28/2017 at 2:26pm
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So far we have the following testers signed up for 89g version - - h01ng - fatt for 84g version - - conradyoung Last call for replying to get added to either of these lists.
------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: MCollins
Date Posted: 11/28/2017 at 5:07pm
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I have only ever tried one BBC blade, and it was totally not my style (thick balsa blade) but I can unequivocally say the handle was the nicest handle I've ever held. And anyone who has dealt with me knows I'm the most annoying, pickiest person when it comes to handles. I'm in Canada so I can't put my name in this hat, but I commend you guys for putting off this testing. Good luck to all the testers and I look forward to the reviews.
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Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 11/28/2017 at 5:21pm
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I would like to test the 84 gram. Charlie makes my all time favorite handles. |
Posted By: YogiChris
Date Posted: 11/29/2017 at 10:23pm
| I’d love to try the 89g blade. |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 11/30/2017 at 2:02am
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LOG1C1AN and YogiChris , I am adding you guys to the list, PM me your addresses to send the blade to. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/06/2017 at 8:55pm
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Sorry for the delay but I have sent out the blades today to h01ng and conradyoung, expect them to reach by friday/monday. This is the sequence of testers.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/07/2017 at 7:09am
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I would like go try the either version please. Just to review, thanks ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 12/07/2017 at 12:27pm
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Rocketman222 Could you sign me up for an 89 grams flared Just curious, is the straight handle a squared dimension or roundish (really like the TB series handle and MJ ST handles) ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: conradyoung
Date Posted: 12/11/2017 at 6:14pm
| Blade received today! Will test this week. Thanks for making this happen rocketman222! |
Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 12/11/2017 at 6:30pm
Please share some pics with us if possible  |
Posted By: conradyoung
Date Posted: 12/11/2017 at 9:42pm
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Photos! As usual, the front contains information about the blade and Charlie's signature white dot on the handle.  The back is as nicely finished as the front. The surface is extremely smooth.  Closeup of the handle. Wood feels soft to the touch, very comfortable. The shape of the handle is somewhat conical and as you can see the cross section is like a flattened ellipse. I have large hands and this fits very nicely. It's not a straight handle due to a slight linear increase in the width towards the end. This allows for good feel at the neck with its narrow shoulders where your thumb and index finger control blade angle, while providing a lot of support towards your ring and little fingers.  Couple views of the side edge of the blade. This is classic Charlie - very finely finished, smooth, with no rough or sharp edges. His craftsmanship really shows here, and this is why we love his custom blades.  
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Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 12/11/2017 at 9:52pm
| The outer and medial plies are very thick. Hinoki galore!! :) |
Posted By: conradyoung
Date Posted: 12/11/2017 at 9:57pm
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Glued up Hurricane 3 Neo, Saviga V OX LP, Dtecs OX LP First impressions: Smaller head size than I'm used to. Didn't affect play surprisingly. Sweet spot still nice and broad. Bouncing ball on it, feedback was very nice, much nicer than the balsa carbon I'm used to. Vs. moderate topspin ball: Forehand drive and loop: nice easy loop, great feedback and control of depth and direction, really good topspin production. Backhand counterhit: easy to punch the ball with very high speed. Given how easy it was to produce spin, I didn't expect this. Vs. heavy topspin ball: Forehand block is solid and loop-drive is really great, easy to send a lot of topspin back; backhand block is good but loop-drive can be touchy. Vs. moderate backspin ball: Pushes easy to control, can spin very heavily even if incoming push isn't heavy. Flip is nice; loop vs backspin pretty easy and again provides good feedback. Vs. heavy backspin ball: High dwell time makes lifting backspin a breeze; inspires confidence in your ability to spin the heck out of the ball. Using long pips: Not so much feel, wood may be a bit too soft; trajectory on blocks is nice and low though. Overall: I'd say this is a really nice controllable offensive blade for someone who likes to attack with topspin. Someone with a killer opening loop-drive will really enjoy the ease of producing spin and speed with this blade. More to come!
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Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 12:02am
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Thanks for posting the pictures and mini-review. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: 808ponger
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 3:00pm
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Is is the photo angles or is the head size smallish? ------------- BTY Harimoto Stiga DNA M |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 3:26pm
| Small head size, see the description in the OP: shape is smaller to reduce the weight coming from the rubbers. |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 3:46pm
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I will try and post the exact dimensions, more than the dimensions, its the shape of the head, that is designed to have smaller area(on the lines of the donic JO shape) ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/17/2017 at 1:48am
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Got the blade in the mail yesterday - was mildly surprised since I wasn't expecting it but when I opened the package it made sense. The blade was 87g on my scale. I struggled to figure out what rubbers to put on it as its head was clearly smaller than my usual blades which made it unlikely that I could put my main rubbers on it and give a legit test. I settled on using some old Vega Pro rubbers in good condition that I had but no longer used so I could test the claims on balance. With the rubbers glued on and with grip tape, the blade came to 188g, which is about the same as my heavier Tibhar Inca (81g) with MX-S both sides and two rolls of grip tape to put more weight in the handle. I prefer the feel of my Inca but I suspect I would prefer a lighter Hinoki Ghost as I have gotten used to lighter blades over the past month. The blade has smaller wings. This makes the handle feel really comfortable. The Hinoki grab is really good and I can see myself like this despite not having used it yet. OF course the balance could be a problem vs what I currently use but it could make a lot of sense at a lighter weight. Will test drive it over the next week and post some conclusions. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 3:03pm
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Just added this blade to the website, now available for purchase http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 3:24pm
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Here is a link to the only match I have played with the Hinoki Ghost so far. I suspect most of my issues with it were because I wasn't using my regular rubbers but that is what it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4cCOC_QSg I wish I could test it with my regular rubbers but the size variance would make that hurt a bit. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 3:30pm
I wonder if Charlie could make a test blade in the attack 1 shape to make it easier for people to use their regular rubbers. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 4:09pm
That would make the blade head heavy for sure then as I wasn't entirely sold on the weight savings claims but that could have been because I got a heavy blade in the first place. I suspect the blade plays like a better control Garaydia but I can't be sure without using my regular rubbers as anything else I can live with putting on the Ghost is faster on short strokes and blocks. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 4:20pm
NL, would you be able to try your regular rubbers on it, I know its annoying to have flapping extra rubber on the sides, but it might give you a good idea of how it plays? ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 4:22pm
Oh, so it’s very fast? I was thinking that head heaviness could be offset by using heavier materials for the handle. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/26/2017 at 4:39pm
Flapping is one part of it but it means not playing with my setup and that is a bit annoying. Also what is the point in a blade claiming to be head light if you can't test that aspect of it with suitable rubber? I have played with it enough to tell that it is a good blade and something I could play with, but I can't be fair on the short game and touch until I use my own rubbers. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 12/27/2017 at 7:52pm
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Has any tester also played with 9-10-9 too? I would like to know their differences. |
Posted By: Bikerjoe3
Date Posted: 12/28/2017 at 12:32pm
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I have a Aspen Ghost 7.3 that I like a lot. I wonder what is the difference between the one I have and the new one with Hinoki, does anyone know. ------------- Barracuda Blades by Charlie Aspen Ghost |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/28/2017 at 1:23pm
Hey Joe, I have hit with the aspen ghost, the only difference between that and hinokighost is the outerply, which is aspen wood instead of hinoki. The aspen wood plays very much like limba and is a good substitue for limba, so there is a more crisp feeling with aspen, whereas hinoki feels very soft, I think the aspen ghost is also more suited for a hitting game, and also goes great with Long pips if you are inclined to go that route. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/28/2017 at 1:24pm
Hi Shinshiro, I have hit with a 9-10-9, the 9-10-9 has carbon and it feels slightly stiffer than ghost, and is a more all-round blade than ghost. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/28/2017 at 2:12pm
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I have glued on my regular rubbers and amazingly, they are lighter than the Vega Pro even uncut to size... that Vega Pro is an interesting rubber I Tell you... I will test likely tomorrow, maybe today and conclude. I will be travelling early next week and will probably need to send the blade on if I don't buy it (given the way it felt on the bounce test, it could happen)... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 12/28/2017 at 4:27pm
Thank you rocketman. I ordered a 9-10-9 a few weeks ago but I'm not with it yet. After seen the HD pics of Hinoki Ghost on BBC website it caught (even more) my attention. Is it possible for me to buy one of the test blades for $60? (in case the testers don't buy both of them)
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 10:18am
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The blade plays pretty well. It does play differently from my current blades and has quite a bit more flex. Will need a couple of weeks to figure it out but it seems to take away the weight of the ball and I can use much shorter strokes. Still work to be done. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 11:22am
How are the short game and blocks?
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 11:50am
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Will take a couple of weeks to confirm. They don't seem out of control but I need to use the blade in training and coaching and the holiday season makes that harder. My coach has complained about the speed of my equipment and this might help with that. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 7:58pm
When you say it takes away the weight of the ball, I interpret it as being very stable, as this is what I feel when I compare it to other blades, it doesn't get rattled much by the heavier ball. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: osmar92
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 8:30pm
| how about combi blade, like carbon on one side and some hard wood slow on another |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 9:37pm
It's kinda soft. I usually feel I need to work hard to get the ball moving on my loops but with this blade and my rubbers, the loops are almost too easy. It's to a point I can't loop drive with the combo as the ball stays on top long compared to my regular setup. So right now it is awesome for spin with my regular technique shortened but I need to make adjustments to drive the ball. It's going to be another couple of weeks before I settle but right now I have a lot of knowledge with my Inca that I don't have with this blade. But the short stroke potential is going to keep me testing it. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 01/12/2018 at 5:36pm
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Just checking in to say I got the blade Will report and post a video this weekend. ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: MCollins
Date Posted: 01/12/2018 at 7:19pm
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Looking forward to your review, Mon. ------------- My Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75703&title=feedback-mcollins |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 01/12/2018 at 7:48pm
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Hope you have fun testing and reviewing this blade. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 01/12/2018 at 11:28pm
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Coming from koto top ply, this blade is my first venture into Hinoki Wood. I would like to link this very good read/informational thread about hinoki. https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?4749-Hinoki-deeper-study I did my research prior to playing with it tonight, and the GHOST LOOP/FAKE LOOP the Koreans do that nexy talked about is very noticeable on the BBC HINOKI GHOST Will post thorough INITIAL REVIEW soon, With videos, transitioning between my main blade BOLL ZLC and the BBC blade ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 01/13/2018 at 1:58am
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It is definitely an interesting read, I wonder if there are any videos demonstrating this fake loop, I would like to try it out in practice ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 01/16/2018 at 6:06pm
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https://youtu.be/HTT3vOKYUsM
Rough VISUAL review Will have a typed up thorough review sometime after my exams this week ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 01/16/2018 at 6:13pm
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This is awesome, you have really good form mon22 Embedding the video ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 01/16/2018 at 6:17pm
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THANK YOU SIR! I gained a little weight after undergrad, so SLOW FEET is a pain Equipment for reference: Both Tim and I are playing with Hurricane 3 Neo I boost one layer of falco, to skip the "BREAK IN" period and no boosting after Mon - TB ZLC - H3 Neo, BH hexer Tim - TB ZLF - H3 Neo, BH t64 BBC Hinoki Ghost - H3 Neo (from main TB ZLC setup, BH - Hexer) I gave the Hinoki Ghost a chance by giving it my main rubbers, so I can distinctively tell the difference ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/16/2018 at 10:13pm
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Any chance to get into the queue on the lighter Ghost (84 g, if I am not mistaken) ? I love Charlie's blades and went through approximately twenty of them. Maybe even more. Currently I own seven (three Blasters, two Tachyons, one Ultima, one QuadTrip). Or maybe eight -- I think I also have a one-ply Hinoki by BBC. I should not have traded my old 9-10-9 but all of my earlier blades were around 89-90 g and that is too heavy for me now, as my shoulder is busted. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 01/17/2018 at 5:54pm
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I received the Hinoki Ghost blade a couple of days before leaving for the US Open. I chose not to test it then because I didn't want to disrupt my rhythm with my own blade just before the Open. Then, the week after I got back I had a death in the family, and spent another week out of town. Then Christmas happened. Then I came down with the Flu bug for two weeks. At that point I felt bad that I had kept the blade too long already. My apologies to the next tester, mon22, for the delay. So, at the beginning of the flu I asked a good friend who is a better and more knowledgeable player than myself if he would test the blade for me. He has owned many BBC blades over the years. This is his brief feedback: The craftmanship of the blade is high quality, as are all Charlie's blades. It has the expected good feel of a Hinoki blade, but more subtle due to thinner surface Hinoki. The blade head was a bit smaller than average as is the case with several of Charlie's models. However, surprisingly, it was a bit on the head heavy side with MXP and Tenergy. The handle was not his favorite, unlike most BBC handles, because the thumb notch was in a different and awkward spot for his grip. But, the blade performed well and is a good value at that price for anyone looking to play with a Hinoki veneer. |
Posted By: ohwell
Date Posted: 01/17/2018 at 7:17pm
Based on the pictures of the 84g blade above, the thumb rest looks a lot like the Ledge thumb rest I initially got on my BBC FD. I agree it’s not for everyone. Charlie being Charlie converting it to his standard thumb rest should be a breeze, though. :) |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 01/19/2018 at 2:34am
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fatt, feel free to update us with your impressions, I hope you enjoy testing :) ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 01/25/2018 at 2:19am
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The Hinoki ghost has great stability which translates in to a solid blocking game, I do believe harder than 45 degree rubbers really compliment the soft nature of the blade. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 01/27/2018 at 1:27am
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Yes the stability at such low weight is amazing, both of the ones I play with are 83g, and no loss of power. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 02/21/2018 at 2:52pm
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Is the test still going on? From the first page, is seems there are a few people yet to receive the blade/do the review. Or is the test over?
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Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 02/21/2018 at 3:50pm
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The testing is still on, 3 of the testers are still in the process of writing and publishing their reviews, 84g blade is currently with sherwood. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: shinshiro
Date Posted: 02/21/2018 at 5:10pm
Thanks! This blade is very interesting, good to know that there's more info to come.
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Posted By: sherwood
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 12:07am
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Review: BBC Hinoki
Ghost
I tested the Hinoki Ghost blade with Tibhar EL-P, Tibhar MX-S, Victas V01 Stiff, and Butterfly Rozena rubber. Hardness: Due to the 2 Hinoki outer layers, this blade has a very soft, dwelly feel and goes best with medium or hard rubber. Unlike blades with hard outer layers (Limba, Koto) and a soft core (Kiri, Ayous) which give an immediate crisp sensation while allowing penetration into the core, this blade allows deep penetration into the relatively thick outer layers while firming up at the harder Mahogany core. Flex: Due to the shape of the blade (J.O. Waldner-ish) it’s a bit difficult to give it a single flex rating. If you contact the ball at the end of the blade where the shape is narrower, it flexes quite a bit. But if you contact the ball toward the base of the blade, it is medium stiff. Speed: I would give this a low to mid offensive speed rating. Control: This blade has excellent control overall. Looping underspin from the backhand side is relatively easy because of the soft, dwelly Hinoki surface plies. Feel and Feedback: This blade produces very little vibration but has good feedback. I tend to like good communicative vibration (as in the Nittaku S-5, OSP Virtuoso+, and Temper Tech Off+) so I don’t count the lack of vibration in the Hinoki Ghost as a positive (but that’s just me). Rubber Matching: Due to the soft outer plies, this blade will make rubber feel softer than on other blades. Rozena, whose top sheet on all other blades felt too stiff/hard, felt fine on this blade and the sponge felt a bit too soft. Even MX-S didn’t feel too hard on this blade as it has on other blades. However, the rubber I liked best on this blade was Tibhar EL-P followed by Victas V01 Stiff. Conclusion: This is a very controlled all-around offensive blade with good feedback. I personally like the traditional head shape better and would prefer a more noticeably hard wood at the core (Walnut?) or the luxurious feel and sound of Spruce at the core (as in the Nittaku S-5). ------------- Nittaku S-5 Dignics 05 |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 3:20pm
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Thanks for the review sherwood, the center ply is pretty hard dense mahogany, but will try to see if other center plys like maple make this blade different. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: sherwood
Date Posted: 03/03/2018 at 5:04pm
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Or White Ash? ------------- Nittaku S-5 Dignics 05 |
Posted By: Bikerjoe3
Date Posted: 03/04/2018 at 11:31am
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I have an Aspen Ghost which I think is the best blade ever. Would the Hinoki Ghost be harder or softer? Would that make faster or slower? ------------- Barracuda Blades by Charlie Aspen Ghost |
Posted By: YogiChris
Date Posted: 03/06/2018 at 8:27am
Got the Ghost on Saturday, but wasn't able to play with it until last night.  Very high quality build. The size of the handle is really nice. I like a little larger handle and this is perfect. The teardrop head shape is interesting, never played with a blade with this shape, and while the head seemed smaller to the eye than what I’m used to when I lined up my rubbers the head size is actually similar in size to my other blades, with the top being slightly longer yet narrower. For rubbers I’m using Bluefire JP 01 Turbo on the FH and Stiga Mantra S on the BH. These are rubbers I’m most familiar with though my current regular setup is different. I haven’t been one to care about weighing my rubbers or blades. For some reason my past setups have always felt fairly similar in weight to one another. The blade itself felt a little heavier than my other blades, but it didn’t really register until I put the rubbers on. With rubbers this blade felt a little on the heavier side, though once I started hitting with it I wasn’t bothered by it at all. I hit with a robot for one hour, alternating with two other blades for comparison (Eternity - fh: Hurricane 8/ bh: JP 03, ITC XQ - fh: OVT/ bh: JP 03), and hit with a partner for an hour. Medium high throw angle, slightly different than what I'm used to. Loops are nice, spinny loops are great with excellent feel/feedback. Loop drives go longer than expected with the arc driving the ball down farther than I’m used to (this was when I was closer to the table and I tend to hit the ball far on loop drives closer to the table in general). The other two blades were better in drives, and loops landed closer to the edges, which may be better in play. Backhands are very nice with so much spin that when I get a really good ratio of friction over force the ball drops quickly after passing over the net. In general when I get good contact with the ball and my form is good the ball arc is very tight once the ball begins to turn downward. Lifting backspin is a breeze with this blade. I didn’t need to use my legs as much as I do with my typical setup, or with the other two blades I used in this session. In other words, my form can be sloppy. This is a very forgiving blade in this area. Hitting with another person: once I started opening up with this blade and hitting with another person rather than a robot I really started to appreciate its capabilities. Still has enough power mid-distance and the dip on the ball when it heads down toward the table is prominent. The kick caught my partner offguard a number of times, causing him to miss the ball when he tried to return it. The soft rubber on the backhand made it hard to get hits from mid distance back over the net at times. I adjusted a bit and started landing mid distance backhands, but it took extra effort, so this blade is probably best with medium to medium hard rubbers. That's it for now. I'll probably play with the HG in my Thursday night league and update this with any new insights, but this is a good general review of how it handles. Update: After playing in league with the HG I don’t have much more to say. I kind of love this blade and then at times I want a little more power. Lifting underspin balls is a joy with this blade, and even though I have soft rubber on the BH it works well closer to the table and when I want to really dial up the spin on the ball. I was able to take over the pace in the game quite often and the only shortcoming I could identify is blocking. My Hurricane Hao II that I’m used to is exceptional at blocking and I was surprised that many times tonight when I had to block, or tried to block, the ball missed the table or went into the net. On the other hand keeping the ball on the table in the FH game was easier for me with the HG. I tend to try and kill the ball too often and end up driving through it when less force is necessary. I actually hit the net a few times rather than hitting past the table. I think if I wasn’t already an EJ, with too many blades to decide between for my current go to, I would gladly pick the HG and experiment with how different rubbers work with it. This is a great blade for someone whose game is spin oriented, and with harder rubbers could give enough power for someone who plays a balance game between spin and power. |
Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 04/27/2018 at 3:01am
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Perhaps once the Rhyzer 50 Pro is released, I shall give this blade a try ------------- --- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71705&title=feeback-h0n1g" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Thread |
Posted By: viva
Date Posted: 05/28/2018 at 12:56pm
| Has anyone tried the blade with rhyzm 425 or something softer like 05fx, ELS etc? |
Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 05/29/2018 at 5:18pm
| rocketman222, are the test blade still in circulation? I'd like to try either one if possible. Thanks. |
Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 05/31/2018 at 3:10am
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Can someone compare the BBC Nine with the Hinoki Ghost? ------------- --- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71705&title=feeback-h0n1g" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Thread |
Posted By: GabrielTopspin
Date Posted: 05/31/2018 at 8:47am
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How is the sweetspot of the bbc nine, is it better than a viscaria or a innerforce layer alc ? speedwise, for looping and have a good catapult ? thank you very much |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 05/31/2018 at 1:39pm
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The Nine is geared towards more all around play, whereas the hinoki ghost is designed for attacking topspin play with the plastic ball. Also the Nine has a thin layer of carbon which gives it a big sweetspot. If you are an all wood or hinoki lover then the ghost is a must try. If you make more points with blocking and being super consistent with pushes etc, go for the Nine ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: GabrielTopspin
Date Posted: 05/31/2018 at 7:00pm
| Hello i thought the nine Was fast Like an alc blade, is There a bcc blade who is fast Like an alc blade, With an Big sweetspot, and is not allwod, carbon or arylate would ne nice, but With good Speed, spin and a High catapult, i thought of the BBc nine or quad Trip or Are BBc blades only for spin and Controll players, mhm |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 05/31/2018 at 7:19pm
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I believe you are talking about 9-10-9, that blade is similar to ALC blades. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 06/01/2018 at 1:37am
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Rocket, have you played the 9-10-9? ------------- --- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71705&title=feeback-h0n1g" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Thread |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 06/01/2018 at 12:39pm
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Yes ho1ng, I have used the 9-10-9, it has thin carbon layers that give it the stability and feel of ABC blades. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: GabrielTopspin
Date Posted: 06/01/2018 at 12:48pm
| But the blade should be only off minus, Right? |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 06/01/2018 at 1:09pm
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Gabriel, the 9-10-9 blade is an OFF, so is the hinoki ghost, only the NINE is the one that is OFF minus. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 06/01/2018 at 10:04pm
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Charlie lists the 9-10-9 as ALL+ on his website. I have had a 9-10-9 and a skinny Triflex for many years. The discontinued Triflex is quite a bit faster than the 9-10-9. At my all around game type paddle speed, I find the 9-10-9 a little slower than a BT555 or Ross Leidy Rapscallion, both OFF- blades. This is consistent with Charlie's ALL+ rating. If someone is looking for a specific set of properties, Charlie can customize any blade by varying thickness, so he is a great blade builder for people who have an idea of what they want. |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 06/02/2018 at 12:08am
Thanks for bringing up the thickness, this is what determines the speed for the most part, i have played two 9-10-9s that are OFF, but I can see how a thinner one could work as an ALL+ ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 06/30/2018 at 1:46pm
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Charlie's test blade Ghost Hinoki came in the mail. Measuring 155x147x7mm (small!), weighing at .18lb(81.65g), impressive! Tried a number of different rubber combos on it with not-so-pleasing results in the first 2 weeks, untill a set of Stiga Mantra Ms, total weight .37lb(168g). This setup immediately gives me a better feel and control over the previous softer rubber combos. Normal medium speed volleys tend to be too bouncy with a higher than normal throw angle, balls fly out of the table if blade angle is not adjusted. This combo thrives on my FH when I hit/loop the ball with extra lower body power. Now the blade really come to live with much more speed and ball placement. I do have a harder time on the BH loops and flips, but quick block/push/punch is excellent. However the contact sound is kind of hollow. A sound which I don't like in a blade. That's just me, maybe others find it pleasing. Is it because the HG blade is too light? Perhaps a kiri core can take care of some of the issues?
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Posted By: persimmon
Date Posted: 08/02/2018 at 7:51pm
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