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Topic: FS: Old Butterfly Viscaria ST Black Tag
Posted By: Saadettin1645
Subject: FS: Old Butterfly Viscaria ST Black Tag
Date Posted: 05/10/2018 at 1:59am



Replies:
Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 05/10/2018 at 2:01am
Hi,
This blade 1.200€ 1.000€ total price. (Paypal VAT+insurance shipping)
Have a only small dent. Black Tag
I will send at the Turkiye. 
Have a nice day.


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 05/14/2018 at 2:18am
New price 1.199€

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 05/22/2018 at 12:37pm
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 06/06/2018 at 3:01am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 06/18/2018 at 1:48am
Bump..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 06/29/2018 at 5:51pm
Bump...

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/03/2018 at 9:37am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/12/2018 at 7:53am
Hi everyone,
The Old Viscaria ST new price 1.000€ Wink
Regards,


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/12/2018 at 6:39pm
I'd love to own it if not for the $$$$DeadDead. I can fix the dent like newTongueTongue.


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/14/2018 at 6:41am
If you want to use Ferrari, you have to pay. Tongue

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/14/2018 at 2:53pm
Yes I know. Only if a TT blade can driven like a Ferrari. I do admit your old blade is a collectible item but I wonder if it drives any better than a new Viscaria for fraction of the price.


Posted By: bully
Date Posted: 07/14/2018 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Yes I know. Only if a TT blade can driven like a Ferrari. I do admit your old blade is a collectible item but I wonder if it drives any better than a new Viscaria for fraction of the price.

The answer is no.


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blade : Diode
FH Dignics 05
BH TSP Curl P1-R


Posted By: max503
Date Posted: 07/14/2018 at 7:13pm
If you say, the old blade is a collectible item, it might be depending who you talk to. If you say, an old blade upgraded from a regular blade to a Ferrari level blade due to age, this is questionable. How can it be? 

You buy a Honda, you parked it in your garage for 40 years and it became a Ferrari? How so?!




Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/14/2018 at 7:48pm
Well, let's be fair. The old Viscaria ST blade is a very good blade but definitely not a Ferrari. I wouldn't drive a high price Ferrari every day for the same reason I wouldn't use a thousand euro blade every day because of their cost. I'll take them out for a spin in the countryside of just showing them off in a high end social functionLOL. Or would you play with this everyday? I'd have my framed and displayed in a collectors case.



Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/15/2018 at 1:09pm
Hey guys ... Ferrari is just a joke! Smile But it's a valuable blade. If you do not know why this blade is valuable then you can play with a new Viscaria model. Wink

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 07/15/2018 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Saadettin1645 Saadettin1645 wrote:

Hey guys ... Ferrari is just a joke! Smile But it's a valuable blade. If you do not know why this blade is valuable then you can play with a new Viscaria model. Wink
I agree 100%. Only way to tell how valuable your blade is to test play it against a new one. You can send the blade to me and some of the forum members for a test play. We can each give you a thorough test report whether or not the blade plays almost 10 times better than a new one. LOLLOL


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/15/2018 at 4:32pm
I want to try first when big companies sell a new board. But first I have to pay for it.Disapprove

Why do you get a blade for $ 150 instead of a cheap $ 10 blade? You give $ 150, but how do you not know about the blade! But there is a reason why the old Viscaria blades are doing so much. Wink


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/19/2018 at 9:41am
I still sell for 1,000 €.

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/31/2018 at 9:40am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 08/15/2018 at 10:36am
Bump.

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 09/02/2018 at 10:48am
Bump..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 09/22/2018 at 3:36am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/22/2018 at 2:46pm
Why would someone pay 1000€? It is not 7 times better than a normal viscaria. For those who just like viscaria and want to use st handle, they can use boll spirit or alc. They are the same blades. Also viscaria st can be bought for half the price your asking. I don't get it


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 09/22/2018 at 8:11pm
Everyone can think differently. And I respect your decision. If you don't know the difference, buy a new Viscaria and use it. 
Like the new Stga Clipper $ 70 but the old Stiga Clipper $ 400. Why? 
Have you ever used it? Each blade can write Viscaria but every year it is produced in different quality.


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/29/2018 at 3:01pm
Yes it is produced in a different quality, but for playing you don't need to pay 1000$ instead of 150$. If you want a viscaria with st handle just buy the boll spirit


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 09/29/2018 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Yes it is produced in a different quality, but for playing you don't need to pay 1000$ instead of 150$. If you want a viscaria with st handle just buy the boll spirit

1) On this forum, there are not only players but also collectors;

2) everyone is free to sell his stuff at the price he wants. The only obligations are : list a price and post pictures; So, the seller can ask 10000 EUR if he wants, you are not obliged to buy the blade.

3) why not suggest a donic Baum Esprit instead of a Boll spirit ? this is the same construction and it is less expensive...and I am sure you can find a cheaper blade.
also, Sorry but the handle of a Viscaria S T 1 gen is not the same as the one of a TB Spirit for instance. For a lot of players, including me, the handle is as much important than the rest of the blade.

So, what is your goal ?


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Nittaku Goriki 94gr, victas V15 extra 2mm, super do knuckle, 1,4mm


Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/29/2018 at 6:06pm
1. That's why I wrote "for playing" excluding all collectors.
2. Of course they can ask for insane amounts.
I suggested a spirit because it is from the same company. Also yes the handle is a little different, but you're not going to pay 7 times as much just for a slightly different handle. The difference is so small, that it won't make you play THAT much better. But maybe there are hidden professionals on this forum who need this sligh difference.


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 10/06/2018 at 6:55am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 11/02/2018 at 9:06am
Bump..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 11/21/2018 at 8:08am
Bump...

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: prorefurbltd
Date Posted: 12/07/2018 at 6:39am
I can sell my st viscaria in the same condition for 750 euro. If some one interesting sent me pm. 91 g weight. Play superbly just to fast for my game.

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Spin To Win


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 12/09/2018 at 2:29pm
Wink

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 01/09/2019 at 3:14pm
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 01/16/2019 at 7:24am
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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 01/28/2019 at 1:14am
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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 02/07/2019 at 2:10am
bump...

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 02/20/2019 at 2:45pm
Bump...

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 03/20/2019 at 7:29am
Bump..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 04/05/2019 at 9:49am
Bump.

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 05/08/2019 at 3:36am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 06/07/2019 at 5:32pm
Bump..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Maloyzer
Date Posted: 06/10/2019 at 2:07pm
The base is worth the money.  Previously, the butterflies extremely carefully selected the veneer for the grounds to earn a name for themselves.  With such sales as it is now simply impossible.  I played with old blades of a butterfly and new ones, and I can say with confidence that the difference is very great.


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 06/10/2019 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by Maloyzer Maloyzer wrote:

The base is worth the money.  Previously, the butterflies extremely carefully selected the veneer for the grounds to earn a name for themselves.  With such sales as it is now simply impossible.  I played with old blades of a butterfly and new ones, and I can say with confidence that the difference is very great.
  
Thanks Maloyzer. I know.. Because I play old model Stiga Clipper. And I don't like new version clipper. There is a big difference between old blades and new blades.
Workmanship, blade quality, feel and speed are very different. 
Only players who play continuously can understand this. 
A cheap blade is enough for amateur players.


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/02/2019 at 4:23am
Bump...

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 07/03/2019 at 7:08am
This blade is missing a few dents. I think that's the reason it is not sold yet.

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Stiga Celero, FH: Hurricane 3 Pro H38, BH: DHS Skyline 3-60, H37
Viscaria, FH: Hurricane 3 Commercial H39, BH: Hurricane Neo 3 Commercial H39


Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 07/03/2019 at 6:00pm
True but I think another reason might be something to do with the somewhat offensive price tag. Tongue


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/04/2019 at 3:10am
Yes.. Have a minor dent. But the feel and speed on this blade are excellent... I don't like new model Viscaria.. And I used old model Stiga Clipper.
Price ... The price for you is much cheaper than for someone else. Racket rubbers wear out quickly. But you can use the boards for life.
If it's not for sale. I'm not unhappy. 


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 07/05/2019 at 12:02am
You have been trying to sell this blade/bumping the thread for over a year. I think that should tell you something. 


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/08/2019 at 10:01am
Thanks Bard Romance for your comment. 
I'm not in a hurry to sell. If I find a real user, I will give a discount anyway. But even the $ 10 blade is expensive for players who don't know the quality and feel of playing.
This is a matter of choice. 


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 07/16/2019 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by Saadettin1645 Saadettin1645 wrote:

Thanks Bard Romance for your comment. 
I'm not in a hurry to sell. If I find a real user, I will give a discount anyway. But even the $ 10 blade is expensive for players who don't know the quality and feel of playing.
This is a matter of choice. 


Sure. Can you quantify the quality and feel that this blade has, that others do not, that makes it worth about 20x a reasonable price for a Viscaria in that condition? Will you offer a full refund for a customer who buys this blade and then finds that there is no significant difference in feeling or performance from other Viscarias, as claimed by the seller?


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 3:29am
Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Sure. Can you quantify the quality and feel that this blade has, that others do not, that makes it worth about 20x a reasonable price for a Viscaria in that condition? Will you offer a full refund for a customer who buys this blade and then finds that there is no significant difference in feeling or performance from other Viscarias, as claimed by the seller?
Hundreds of new blades are produced every year. Players buy and play. Can you return if you don't like it?
I don't need to comment on this blade. Players who use it know the quality. Is your game quality enough to understand this difference?
Finally... That's my price. I'm a trustworthy salesman. After that, buyers can decide ...


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 8:59am
Originally posted by Saadettin1645 Saadettin1645 wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Sure. Can you quantify the quality and feel that this blade has, that others do not, that makes it worth about 20x a reasonable price for a Viscaria in that condition? Will you offer a full refund for a customer who buys this blade and then finds that there is no significant difference in feeling or performance from other Viscarias, as claimed by the seller?
Hundreds of new blades are produced every year. Players buy and play. Can you return if you don't like it?
I don't need to comment on this blade. Players who use it know the quality. Is your game quality enough to understand this difference?
Finally... That's my price. I'm a trustworthy salesman. After that, buyers can decide ...


So I'll repeat my question, what makes this specific blade you are selling different from an average Viscaria? It's good information to include.


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

So I'll repeat my question, what makes this specific blade you are selling different from an average Viscaria? It's good information to include.

Do you like wine? Every company produces the same wine every year. But some years grapes are very special. Only when you drink. And other wines do not taste the same.

Why is Viscaria throne still popular? If it is still very popular today, it is thanks to the quality of its first series.
This blade is like the same wine ... Feels much better, handle quality is much better .. I do not want to write. That's why it's still popular. The ST handle is a very popular blade and they are now trying to reproduce it.

How much do you pay for a good wine? Wink


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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 08/08/2019 at 7:47am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 09/11/2019 at 5:00am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 10/04/2019 at 5:19am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 11/28/2019 at 3:15am
Bump

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 03/21/2020 at 4:40am
Bump..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 04/28/2020 at 4:27am
up..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 06/24/2020 at 4:16am
Bump..

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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 06/24/2020 at 4:35am
Hi,
I think you should merge your 4 x FS post together.


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Posted By: Saadettin1645
Date Posted: 06/24/2020 at 7:15am
Hi Antuan, 
Thanks for your warning.
Sorry for this confusion. I will fix this problem.Wink
Best Regards,



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Stiga Old Clipper Handmade
DHS H3 NEO 2.1 mm
Xiom Vega Japan 2.0 mm



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