Xiom Vega X and Omega 7 Hyper
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Topic: Xiom Vega X and Omega 7 Hyper
Posted By: yogi_bear
Subject: Xiom Vega X and Omega 7 Hyper
Date Posted: 11/07/2019 at 7:44pm
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look what I got! finally I can reveal it to the public Xiom Vega X Cut Weight: 48 grams Weight:72 grams (uncut) Speed: Very Fast Spin Very high Type: ESN Sponge hardness: approx 47.5 degrees (need confirmation)   Xiom Omega 7 Hyper Cut Weight: 50 grams Weight: 79 grams Hardness: 55 degrees Speed: Extremely Fast Spin: Extreme Type: ESN rubber       ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/07/2019 at 7:49pm
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Yogi, is it true that Omega VII is a hybrid? I've been super fascinated ever since I heared about it a few months ago. Very much look forward to the review. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/07/2019 at 7:51pm
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I have posted a review in ttd https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?22222-Xiom-Omega-7-Hyper-and-Vega-X&p=294698#post294698" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?22222-Xiom-Omega-7-Hyper-and-Vega-X&p=294698#post294698 It is not a hybrid. It is purely ESN rubber with no tacky or Chinese characteristics. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Dream1700
Date Posted: 11/07/2019 at 8:20pm
somebody should tell the companies that some of us want lighter rubbers. 
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Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 11/07/2019 at 8:36pm
Do you think they care? Just wait for the Omega X Adamantium to see what heavy means...
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Dream1700 wrote:Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/08/2019 at 2:47am
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As what I have said before. It is an arms race because of the polyball. Companies will find ways to make the gameplay faster. Blame the Ittf. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/09/2019 at 4:39pm
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ok here is the rundown on the performance of both rubbers. You can check the longer and detailed reviews on the link I provided above. Omega Hyper 7: 1. heavy rubber at 80 grams 2. pores are much smaller compared to Omega 7 Pro and also much more dense 3. speed is one of the 2 the major advantages of Hyper. This is the fastest and bounciest rubber in the market right now. it is quite powerful even at far distance even if you are only using an off all wood blade. 4. spin is quite vicious as the ball kicks the table when you loop. It is in the level of Tenergy 05 or Tenergy 05H in the spin department. 5. The combination of the spin and speed capabilities of the Hyper overwhelms Tenergy 05H. 6. Unlike other hard rubbers that are non-tacky, the Hyper is quite spinny. 7. Downside is that it needs at least an advanced level to be fully utilized. Vega X 1. this is called the Vega Ten hence the X letter 2. also heavy at 74 grams uncut 3. Topsheet is very grippy and offers more spin than Vega pro 4. This is the 2nd fastest rubber in the Vega series after the Vega Tour 5. This was designed for intermediate players who are not yet ready to use much more advanced rubbers such as Omega 7 and Omega V rubbers. 6. In my opinion, the Vega Pro is quite outdated as it is about 10 years old already so probably this is the reason why Xiom produced this rubber. 7. Spin is more compared to Vega Pro but lesser than Omega V Pro. 8. Price is in the range of Vega Pro. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/09/2019 at 10:12pm
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How does VII Hyper differ from VII Tour? ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 3:20am
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Hyper is way faster than Tour. It has a longer trajectory and spin is a few notches higher.
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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 11/12/2019 at 10:44am
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Hi Yogi, always a pleasure reading through your reviews. is vII TOUR much faster than V tour or Pro? Since you got your hands on these rubbers earlier than the market itself, do you know if Xiom has plans of releasing the new Tau ? -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/12/2019 at 6:28pm
All of the Omega VIIs are much faster than their Omega V versions ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/12/2019 at 6:46pm
Generalspecific is correct. The sponge for the 7 series are all more responsive and bouncy than the 5 series. The Tau II will probably be released early next year. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 11/13/2019 at 7:18am
| I believe Calderano will change to this O7H... |
Posted By: p3v56yahoocom
Date Posted: 11/16/2019 at 5:22pm
Do you have any info on Xiom Tau II? I miss the original Tau. The very hard sponge was several years ahead of its time as sponge that hard wasn't widely accepted back then. Now it's a different story. I'm looking forward to give Tau II a try when it becomes available! 
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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 11/17/2019 at 9:38am
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anyone know the release date? ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: dajdosta
Date Posted: 11/17/2019 at 12:39pm
It is not outdated just like T05 isn't either and that is even older rubber. May be true only if you refer to top professionals but I doubt they read this forum. For the rest Vega Pro is still very good. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/17/2019 at 8:56pm
December or January ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/17/2019 at 8:59pm
It is quite outdated and Tenergy is quite advanced at its time that Vega Pro is NOT in its level. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: dajdosta
Date Posted: 11/18/2019 at 7:18am
It is not outdated, it works well with new ball.
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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 11/18/2019 at 10:42am
Thanks ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/18/2019 at 1:55pm
Yes it is. Even beginners can use it nowadays because the polyball has affected its performance. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 10:40am
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Vega Pro is great for lower levels of play even to this day. For higher levels of play, even back in 2009 it wasn't as good as Tenergy 05. I would say that these days it is outdated for intermediate level play (think 2000-2400 USATT). It is still an excellent choice for under that level. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: idk
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 10:43am
2000-2400 is intermediate?
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 11:03am
On a world scale, I'm being generous calling it intermediate. It's closer to beginner when you consider it like that. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: purpletiesto
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 4:18pm
Wow you must be one of the greatest players in history to think 2400 is intermediate.
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/19/2019 at 8:29pm
It has nothing to do with what I personally think. It is an objective fact that 2400s are incapable of performing in any significant capacity on an international level. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: pitigoi
Date Posted: 11/21/2019 at 9:12am
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2300 is Master level. Not enough to compete internationally (except cadets), enough mastery to train almost every player. My estimate is that 1-2% of players are above this. Few post here. 2000 is advanced for sure. In chess this is considered "expert", and less than 10% achieve this level. ------------- Right hand: Stiga Allround NCT (74g) /Rasant Grip max/Talon OX red (total 135g) Left hand, 2020-1: Stiga Allround WRB (67g)/Fastarc G-1 1.8mm/V11 > Extra max 158g Fitness Friendship Fun |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 11/21/2019 at 1:25pm
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Kanak Jha is 2700+ USATT and his score in German TTBL is 1:7. But that's off-topic. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: purpletiesto
Date Posted: 11/21/2019 at 2:35pm
So you're implying that anything below being able to perform well at an international level is intermediate. Out of all the stupid things I've seen on this forum, this is one of the stupidest.
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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 11/21/2019 at 7:39pm
He didn't say that, he just said those who are 2400 can't play internationally. Say for instance, the bracket between 2400-2600 also cannot play internationally (which I'm not accepting or denying). That would also hold from what General said, you are just misinterpreting what he's saying to likely use it as firepower against him  ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 11/22/2019 at 6:04pm
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It seems so many people are salty that they can't come close to achieving top level performance (international level) that the reality check of 23-2600s (a level high enough that they probably won't ever achieve either) not actually being that good on a relative scale is a pill too hard to swallow. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 11/22/2019 at 6:14pm
 ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: Skynet
Date Posted: 01/05/2020 at 4:51pm
So, I hear rumblings that Xiom won't the release the Hyper in Europe or America; only in Asia. Too bad if thats true. At least I can confirm that almost all the shops which had the option for pre-order have deleted all information regarding the Hyper... |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/05/2020 at 6:25pm
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You can still order it online. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 01/05/2020 at 10:53pm
It's definitely available in Australia, so I doubt they would restrict it in USA.
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/05/2020 at 11:23pm
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I think Xiom only said that it will not be available in Europe only. So US and all other places will have it. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 01/05/2020 at 11:35pm
Paddle Palace has stock, wonder how it (Omega 7 hyper) will play on a very old 3 ply blade 
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Posted By: Skynet
Date Posted: 01/06/2020 at 2:23am
OK, so the Hyper won't be available in Europe only and Xiom probably won't elaborate on why this decision was made. Ordering from other places like Japan or the States wouldn't make much sense from a purely economical side for someone from Europe because of the shipping costs and custom fees. One might as well buy a sheet of Dignics. Maybe the release of the Hyper did not create enough buzz in Europe (so far). On the other hand Xiom has become quite popular in Europe and as of right now I believe that Europe is still a bigger tt market compared to Australia or the States. So from that point of view - nothing against Australia or the States - it would acutually make more sense to exclude Australia and the States instead of Europe from distribution, or is Xiom really that big and important in those places?
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 7:42am
Incorrect, Xiom Omega VII Hyper is available in Europe. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: Flobert
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 7:59am
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Any news on the new Xiom Vega X? |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 11:42am
Vega X is readily available. In Germany, 34.90eur at Spinfactory.de . ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 12:58pm
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i have tried the 2.1mm version of the Omega 7 Hyper and I have better control for this rubber. This is also lighter at 71 grams (uncut) weight compared to the max version which is at 79 grams (uncut) weight. The speed is lesser but it is now more controllable. I would suggest to use the Hyper 2.1mm for most players. The spin however is monstrous because the topsheet is very grippy and now with a thinner sponge, you can perform slow and spinny loops better than the max version if you are at a lower level. The speed is still very fast somewhat in the level of MXP 50 degrees. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 1:05pm
Nope, you are incorrect. It is not directly available in Europe as what Xiom told me. I am speculating on the reason why they are not releasing the Hyper in Europe as I think they are pushing the Omega 7 Tour more.I have checked the catalogue of Xiom and the O7T is slightly more expensive than Hyper. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 2:18pm
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How would you compare the control aspects between MXP50 and the Hyper, specifically as it relates to spin sensitivity? ------------- --- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71705&title=feeback-h0n1g" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Thread |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 2:53pm
O7Hyper is readily available at: https://www.funstar.sk/produkty/xiom/xiom-potah-omega-vii-hyper" rel="nofollow - https://www.funstar.sk/produkty/xiom/xiom-potah-omega-vii-hyper http://www.ittfshop.ru/product/xiom-omega-7-hyper" rel="nofollow - http://www.ittfshop.ru/product/xiom-omega-7-hyper Also, it will available at Vladi Samsonov's web-store soon: https://vsport-tt.com/en/rubbers/3653-rubber-xiom-omega-vii-hyper.html" rel="nofollow - https://vsport-tt.com/en/rubbers/3653-rubber-xiom-omega-vii-hyper.html Wait just a few days more, it's still new. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 3:48pm
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Hyper 7 isn't even listedo n PP's site? ------------- --- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71705&title=feeback-h0n1g" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Thread |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/24/2020 at 4:03pm
As what i have said it is not directly available in europe unless they got it from another store. I have beentalking to Xiom for quite a while now and what you know about their products and distribution is the only one you see online. I communicate with their marketing executives directly and i know Hyper will not be sold directly in Europe like Clipper Rosewood being sold outside in China unless they got itfrom another Tibhar dealer outside Europe. I would love people in Europe to have access to Hyper because it is an awesome rubber but Xiom already said they will not distribute it directly unless they change their minds. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 02/10/2020 at 2:26am
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Another Omega VII Hyper and Vega X test: ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: Leftstudio
Date Posted: 02/10/2020 at 3:08pm
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Just curious - how do you say Xiom? Is it Zai-om or Cee-om? ------------- No signature required |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 02/10/2020 at 3:48pm
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Xiom is pronounced eks-ee-ahm ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: patelaaaa
Date Posted: 02/10/2020 at 5:08pm
| Its funny, Xiom Vega X has been 'out of stock' in tabletennis11 site over last few weeks. Kind of eager to try one on forehand. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 02/21/2020 at 2:20pm
| anyone else played with the Vega X yet? |
Posted By: DarkerMyLove
Date Posted: 02/21/2020 at 9:11pm
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I really liked Rakza 7 when I first started playing, then felt Vega Pro as a good 'upgrade' as it felt firmer and slightly faster and more spin on full swings. This Vega X has that similar firmer feel and probably just a notch or two faster than the Vega Pro on hard shots and a touch more spin on loops. However, Vega Pro will feel easier to access spin and a bit easier to use overall. I first tried Vega X on BH with Long 5x and did not like it compared to Rhyzer 50 Pro. It seemed more sensitive to spin, more difficult in countering strong heavy loops. I couldn't quite get used to it on BH. I would prefer Rhyzer 50 Pro or T05, but take it all with a grain of salt since I really only used it for 3 hrs on the BH. On FH it was much nicer, but certainly nothing special. It's not some magical rubber that has the control of a Vega Pro but the speed of T05. It is slower and less spinny than T05 but also less bouncy so short game might be a bit better. Counterlooping with T05 and most 50 degree+ rubbers will perform much better. Vega X vs Andro Hexer powergrip-- Powergrip has a softer topsheet and i would say is easier to use overall, easier to access spin and feels nicer on BH. Vega X has a faster top end speed and more spin on big loops and with firmer topsheet feels nice on shortgame however is more sensitive to incoming spin on passive blocking. Overall a decent rubber considering the price but it is nothing to really write home about. If you like Vega Pro and looking for a little bump in speed/spin, but don't like the speed and spin (or price) of T05, MXP or 50 degree rubbers then this might fit well.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 02/22/2020 at 12:24am
| thanks Darker for detailed info |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/23/2020 at 8:55pm
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tt-japan is selling for $50 each for O7H. About $10 to ship so you get to about $55 per rubber, less if you buy more. They have 2.1mm as well as max.
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