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Just had a look and this is really good, it covers a lot of detail that the more basic tutorials miss. 

The viewership will come, don't worry haha. But I think the hardest part of a YouTube channel is sustainability of content, it can be quite a toll as I recently found out. 

I really liked your point about disjointed acceleration (basically your arm should just be in sync with your upper body rotation), and a full weight transfer (where your weight actually falls mainly to the left leg) being very crucial in the loop. I noticed you let some funny arm movements slide haha...and focused more on the body usage.

Keep it up! 

like and sub...

-in my opinion some of the best and most important content regarding proper technique. it is also described and emphasized really well

-showing examples of people with different issues is a really good format. this will help viewers with identifying where their issues may lie

Cons:

-it seems like you guys have been a little...generous...with your stated ratings. it is one thing if you feel and have shown you play at a better level than on paper but it is a bit dishonest for a consistent mid 1700's player to state "i have a USATT rating around 1900". 

-audio editing could use work. it sounds a bit distant/muffled/quiet at times, and when you are doing talkovers the background sound is too high.

overall great work and hope you continue 

I appreciate the feedback. I’ll work on the audio mixing in the future. 

Also, Sarthak claimed to be ~1900 because he’s practice a lot since his last tournament, and he’s consistently beating 1900 level players at the club. Of course it’s not official, but we didn’t think 1750 accurately represented his playing level.

that's what i figured and it's not a big deal. only reason i brought it up is because your first video also had an over 100 point discrepancy between the player's actual rating and claimed rating, then in this video you have two different slides for the same guy during his intro.

i think you guys are making some of the better videos i've seen and there is a lot of potential. i really liked the format and info that was in this video and hope you keep it up. some small changes can go a long way. 

So that his body moved first, after that his arm moved and hit like a wipe - and it's more advanced technique than advised one - to do everything linear and shorter, as the hit with more advanced technique is much harder and also you buy time with such a technique as you use inertion to move to the place of next stoke.

There was a video long ago with Australian national team coach who explained that with the help of a toy.

But agree with the mistake like - weight transfer - inconsistency in legs - hitted with jump from time to time as wanted to hit harder and instead of using full arm swing - just cut his strike with closed elbow. Your body movent should be consistent and similar from one to another, only legs should move you to a proper position.

 

Would like to add one more his mistake to consider - the point where he meets the ball is different each time and it's not mainly about point of ball flight after the peek point but more about triangle rule - that's why he stricts his strike with elbow angle, and that's why he makes inclinations with his body, and also that's why he uses hook with his wrist and because of this the amplitude of a hand during the topspin is not so good.

So mainly 2 mistakes - not well opened hand and not precise movement to the next hit.

I am reminded of that children's puzzle where they have 2 "identical" pictures with the caption "Can you find the 10 differences in the pictures".  Maybe  I will post side by side videos of me and Danny Seemiller (we are the same age) with the caption "Can you find the 100 differences in these 2 players".

Mark 

Do you plan to offer online coaching at some point? you receive video footage and give your guidance? 

I’d love to analyze techniques of players who send me their videos. If this is interesting to people, I can get started. 

I’ve actually been using my iPhone camera for all my videos, not the one on my computer.

I think the non-linear arm movements are very hard to control. He seems to be cramping up his stroke too, his bat never goes above his head, which means his stopping the momentum/followthrough prematurely... I think it has something to do with the false notion of the salute, the optimal finish position is actually with the bat above the left ear with the elbow pointing forward, not where the hand is at the forehead like a salute.

I actually really like Jon's stroke structure, guy's gonna go far, just need a bit more spin in it from loading it more from the legs and body rotation. I'm surprised his rating is that low, but it's probably coz he's kinda new and probably doesn't have an advanced serve/receive game and is not adjusting to different spin that well... Or maybe his BH sucks? Lol idk...

Sarthak looks like he started off with looping and never did all that much driving, it's Timo Boll like with mostly spin but not a lot of forward momentum coz he is grazing the ball most of the time and relying on the fast springy sponge to generate the pace for him. 

Haha I can imagine Sarthak's game is kinda like a guy I used to play, super  consistent and just slow loop everything and has a huge range of nasty placements on his loops  If you can't control the spin properly he's just gonna wear you down with your own unforced errors trying to block or counterloop. But if you can control the spin on the loop it's easy to win coz you have all the time to do whatever you want since they're all slow shots... 

I would love to see some amateur match commentaries too, I think those would be quite fun to watch!

There’s a Corona Cup Highlight Reel video on my channel if you click on my profile! No commentary, but some points are pretty fun

Lmao I just watched it and it was just abusing the hook serve from beginning to the end at the higher levels, it's exactly what is happening in my club as well, that serve is kinda like the meta serve that everyone is just abusing the heck out of....Just so irritating to have to deal with that serve personally coz it's so hard to read the direction of the wrist movement when you can obscure the bat movement legally before the ball contact...

I've had so many games when it was just a serving contest between both hook servers to see who made less receive errors lol.... 

Edit: I really like your approach in dealing with this nasty serve... Just borrow the spin and do a normal counter back to the opponent, then try to defend the incoming attack. Definitely a lot better than the previous guy who tried to attack it unsuccessfully... If you can't tell the spin accurately just try to reduce unforced errors and go to the rally stage lol... 

Your friend is such a troll.... Walking off after serving the last point, and "Stocks only go up" lmao.... 

Hi blahness,
 

More attention to that feeling of a wave - when body first -> ... than to actual hard hit (so you hit just a bit harder)

Next step - return back to close to table but play little triangle - half of your side of a table one by one with steps from side to left.

Repeat previous step but with 1m away from the table. And do the  same side steps. Do not increase tempo much - it should be convenient.

After that - switch from short pips to inverted - you will have to adjust the paddle angle.

Spend 1-2 training sessions from this position with side steps. Try to remember body first in this case.

Return back to close to table position together with return back short pips and do the same steps with underspin incoming ball.

Repeat similar steps like previous and voila even guy like me started at age 32 can easily learn how to do proper strokes in 5-10 training sessions.

I think you are making good videos but I think that was too much video! That one looked like two or maybe three videos combined.

Let the youtube algo do it's work and recommend me two videos a week.

We're on the same page here, I think too many people start with looping straight away rather than hitting/driving, you can see they're the ones who can only brush loop and don't have much power in their shots. All the Chinese/Korean schools of technique would have you first hit/drive like a madman first before you even go anywhere close to looping, and for very good reason, it's easier and you get to work hard on your mechanics, moving to the ball, and solid ball contact. 

Agree - and the most important here (as seems to me) - solid ball contact - so that I see that last student in video and compare him with coach - coach has much more solid contact  with proper timings for hitting.

All other guys - as well - too much brushing - it's not consistent - as soon as tempo increases - they will fail and it does not matter whether their strokes are fast or slow - they are just in too horizontal position of paddle - it will lead to consistent misses of balls on higher tempo. 

The fact that the more solid contact also gives better spin together with speed we can not even consider here - enough is the fact that it's just more consistent as for me.

Yes, counterintuitive more solid contact will lead to even better spin down the track because you engage the sponge and there's a lot of mechanical friction which increases the spin. 

Ma Long is the epitome of the "solid hitting" school of thought, he has a super open racket angle even compared to the other pros, and he's getting 6000-7000rpm on his loops regularly on both BH and FH...

The key to crunch the ball is the instantaneous acceleration during contact. I talk about the explosiveness in my other videos, and I think it will be a recurring theme during my future videos.

There couple of ideas that may be useful for you:

I think it's also depending on the rubber you started off with. A lot of these thin brush heavy loopers started with Tenergy on carbon blades lol so they developed the thin contact to avoid their shots going out all the time... For me I started off with 5 ply wood with Hurricane so you're forced to hit hard early on otherwise you wouldn't even reach the net lol....kinda like the short pips idea that Valiantsin mentioned. 

Once you have the power it's easy to adjust it down, but if you don't have the power it's hard to acquire it. For me, even looping underspin is more like the same stroke (with solid contact hitting), except that you do it upwards rather than forward. If you do thin brush looping against those super heavy underspin pushes it's so easy to miss the ball completely because the margin of error is so low. I have no idea how Timo Boll does it....guy has some seriously good touch and feeling...

Ideally we all want more skills, and it can be beneficial to experiment with different types of loops. 

Yep agreed, once you've got the skills you can hit hard using whatever blade/rubber combo....

Btw I would love to hear your insights about reading the hook serve - you seem to be able to receive it well. 

With that said, it can still be hard to see the contact on the paddle. Instead, it's more reliable to watch the behavior of the bounce, which is harder to disguise with heavier serves. Topspin kicks forward and underspin slows down. Sometimes I was fooled too because the bounce was even hard to read, but in general, when serves get too well disguised, the bounce is the only way to distinguish serves.

I too can serve the same serve and know how it works, but basically my friend and I both can't read each other's serve lol...

Do you read that just from the first bounce or you watch the kick off the second bounce or how it behaves between the first and second bounce? 

Tbh I only rely on reading bat movement but against really good hook servers the bat angle and followthrough is exactly the same, the wrist movement is different but you don't get to see the bat before ball contact and the contact is so damn fast 

Thanks! That actually gave me a lot of good insights. I never tried to read serves via the "ball behaviour" way but maybe it's time to start xD

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I love these 2 channels but one is in Korean and the other is in Japanese. If we had something like them in English it would be sooo good.

For me is really easy.to return.such serve if it's.legal.

But most of times people just throw.the.ball to a paddle almost not throwing it to top or just hide it with hand , body or head or combo of it. 

The most effective way to do it, is to hide the paddle with your body until ball contact where the paddle comes out - the ball is always visible during the toss so it's legal, and you move into the ball. The opponent can only see the point of ball contact and the followthrough, not much info to work with since for both sidetop and sideunder you can use the exact same racket angle and followthrough to do it. The real difference is the racket tip direction prior to contact and you don't see that. 

Agree hidden paddle can bit influence on my return.

But.without throwing the ball directly to the paddle, it's just a little obsticle, does not drastically change anything cause you can understand faster even before.the.first bounce to the table.

Hidening of the ball during such a throwing makes you move to improper position to be able to see what really will happen.

If you didn't move at all chances are you will just fail the return.

I am also.trying to hide my paddle on this serve and on pendulum serve  before hitting the ball but do not.hide the ball during the  flight and don't throw it to the paddle illegally.

maybe you haven't seen some of the highly optimised "hidden paddle backswing" hook serves - they look disgustingly identical lol. If you don't read it correctly, it's like playing with a 4 point handicap lol... I know coz I abuse the heck out of this serve too, it allowed me to win against very strong players whom I should have no business beating.  

Basically, you need to practice your movements in front of the mirror - all the variants should look exactly the same, the only difference being the feeling in the wrist. 

Like what bdzd said, often you can only tell via the ball behaviour, there is just no way to read it via bat movement. 

Met such guys on different levels during the time I was improving my skills not so long ago as I started to train 5 years ago :) 

But if the serve from common ones like modern hook or tomahawk or pendulum - it's just ok - matter of practice how to return them if they are legal.

If something special - then yeah  - need time to adjust proper motor functioning of my mind/body.

Also - I am one of such guys :) So at least have two different kinds of service (not slightly different but totally different like for example top-sidespin and under-sidespin pendulums together with fast flat serve looking like pendulum at start.

Improving them - just by video. Mirror for me is not OK as I move during the serve so do not have time to take a look at it.

If you do not move - often times means you are just throwing the ball to paddle directly - it's pretty common violation of rules. 

The typical serves which rely on where the racket contacts the ball is damn easy to read, I would say those are intermediate serves. The special serves are the ones which rely on varying the direction and timing of wrist acceleration/direction, those are really hard to read especially with a fast movement - because you can make the blade angle and movement completely identical. 

What I meant was mirror for shadowing the movement. I spent a long time honing the movements in front of a mirror to make sure they look identical to my opponent. With a mirror you get the "opponent's view" in real time, and you realise that some things that are very different look the same to them due to the vantage point. It's like practising for a magic trick.

Could you make some video on what you mean? 

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Dude it's just shadowing in front of mirror lol, why would you need a video on that?

Hi blahness)))

Lol yes it looks super OCD  but it works!

Would also love some topspin defense from your perspective...technique,  tactics, etc... You seem to be super good at it!

Haha yeah, you seem to be able to completely absorb the incoming pace /spin to give out a consistent ball with good height and length which is so difficult against high quality loops. 

Already posted there as stiltt said :)

Haha thanks, it’s kinda my whole play style ;)