Booster or Speed Glue, which is more effective?
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Topic: Booster or Speed Glue, which is more effective?
Posted By: TT newbie
Subject: Booster or Speed Glue, which is more effective?
Date Posted: 02/16/2022 at 7:38pm
| For those who used to speed glue rubbers and now use booster, does boosting give rubber the same power and spin of speed glue? |
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Posted By: ineedacig
Date Posted: 02/16/2022 at 9:27pm
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I think booster gives less effect but longer time. The speed glue gives more effect but less time. ------------- Butterfly Gergely (Old Tag) FH: Yasaka Mark V BH: KTL Rapid Soft |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 02/16/2022 at 11:32pm
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TOO MUCH of KATAPULTA. Oily boosters will temper Katapullta effect for ESN tensored rubbers to a less degree . Some players do not like the newest ESN tensors. bouncy as hell. |
Posted By: Tommy16
Date Posted: 02/17/2022 at 6:36am
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No, not even close. Alltough I have only tested Falco tempo long with esn rubber and I was really surprised how minor the effect was. Maybe boosters works better with Chinese rubbers. Ftl only made my rubbers a bit faster, a bit spinnier and a lot softer=waste of time and money imho. ------------- What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style My feedback: http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67171&KW=&PID=811763&title=tommy16-feedback#811763 |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 02/18/2022 at 2:49am
Agreed 100% ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Tommy16 wrote:Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 02/18/2022 at 2:50am
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speed glue is much more effective but it takes lot of time and the effect lasts for few hours. boosting takes even more time but it lasts for weeks...and it works better on the new generation hard rubbers like dignics 05,09C or the chinese rubbers. you don't get the same result as speed gluing but it's close. i would avoid boosting tensors and tenergies...they quickly become mushy and too bouncy.
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Posted By: chongqinghotpot
Date Posted: 02/18/2022 at 7:14am
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not even close. If speed glues were allowed again, all the expensive rubbers and boosters would disappear overnight. ------------- USATT rating 2200 05Vis64 |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 02/19/2022 at 3:10am
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There is booster could work like speed glue. However, if speed glues are allowed, the pros won't use it anymore. There are something better than both, however they are not available in the market. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: penholderxxx
Date Posted: 02/19/2022 at 3:57am
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Are we sure speed glue(s) is(are) banned ? ------------- Iloveplayingtabletennis |
Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 02/20/2022 at 10:30am
Care to expand on that?... are you saying pros no longer use speed glue nor booster? now there is something better! never heard of this sorry, but I haven't been around for a while. so now I am quite curious. ------------- Blade:Stiga Sense 7.6/ Timo ZLC FH: Tenergy 05FX BH: Tibhar Q5 Sound |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 02/21/2022 at 2:44am
Tell me something about booster that you know. List a/some names. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 02/21/2022 at 10:31am
I know of a few good boosters like Haifu (yellow/black), Lido, Falco etc. They last a few weeks or so.... what else to know? ------------- Blade:Stiga Sense 7.6/ Timo ZLC FH: Tenergy 05FX BH: Tibhar Q5 Sound |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/21/2022 at 2:12pm
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Igor has ilegal booster in his brain.
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Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 02/22/2022 at 8:44am
Lido is the thinnest one and closer to "booster" The rest are not ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 02/22/2022 at 9:02am
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sure..... But I guess I'm not really understanding what you are saying? Are you saying pros are using booster like Haifu then? or some new style booster that is apparently top secret lol ? ------------- Blade:Stiga Sense 7.6/ Timo ZLC FH: Tenergy 05FX BH: Tibhar Q5 Sound |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 02/22/2022 at 10:34pm
 Haifu (yellow, brown, seamoon) are not booster, nor pro using it. Haifu family is much more better than Falco family, however they are still not powerful and consistent enough. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/23/2022 at 10:50am
My response to the original question is boosters are not even close. Speed glue was a different animal altogether. It really made everything better once you got the hang of using it. With that said, rubbers that were made back in the day (2000s) were designed to be used with speed glue and there is a very real possibility that speed glues on most of the modern rubbers would either not work as well as they did on something like Bryce, or would even damage some of the latest rubbers. I can't say for sure about this last part because I've never tried it. Also, I pretty much only use European or Japanese rubbers like Tenergy and for the last few years Nexy Karis (technically S Korean). I can't say how a modern Chinese rubber would react, although the ones that were used in the 2000s really came to life with speed glue -- I would go so far as to see they were almost unplayable without it. If you just play for fun, don't care about ITTF rules and don't mind breathing the solvent and the hassle of using it, you could save some money by buying the cheapest possible Chinese rubber and speed gluing it. Because that was one thing about speed glue that I remember well; it was a great equalizer for rubbers. It could make cheap garbage fairly useable.
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Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 02/23/2022 at 1:51pm
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The booster changes the properties of the rubber forever. Once boosted, the rubber will never get back to the original unboosted condition. This is the advantage of the booster, in my opinion. I boost the rubber once and play it until the rubber is dead. The effect vanishes all the time, but still, it is better than unboosted rubber and at some point in time I notice no change any more. I boost only Hurricane or Skyline rubbers, no experience with other rubbers in terms of using them for a long time. In my case, using speed glue every day in older days made the rubber unpredictable (sometimes too fast, other times too mushy), unless the new rubbers were used every week. Sergei ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QlKrAbsMQ?utm_source=mytt-signature" rel="nofollow - Click Here to see TableTennis11 CEO Sergei Petrov's Introductory Interview - Tabletennis11.com |
Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 02/23/2022 at 5:08pm
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i totally agree…i used 2 layers of falco on new sheets of dignics 05 and they play infinitely better than unboosted out from the pack, the effect lasts for a very long time. Unboosted dignics is like driving a ferrari in 2nd gear, i wonder how people can play with it, no power, ball goes into the net, no feel at all!
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/25/2022 at 2:16am
Do you own a ferrari?
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Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 02/25/2022 at 10:38am
| no i don't but i tried it! |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/25/2022 at 11:02am
Most people would not agree that D05 has no power without boosting... ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: timoboll89
Date Posted: 02/25/2022 at 11:08am
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what i mean is that dignics and all the new super hard sponge rubbers are made for tuning. Sure you can play with it unboosted but it's a waste of money in that case, because you don't have the elasticity and full potential you could reach by boosting. if you do not want to boost just stick with tenergy, evolution, rasanter, bluestorm etc etc...
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/25/2022 at 1:26pm
I know a dude that is about 2100 and now using D09C both sides and his loops are not better that he used to hit with T05 Also I played with a penhold player around 2014 with moristo SP and speed glue His shots were superfast not even 2400 players could handle his FH.
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Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 03/07/2022 at 2:58am
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Main thing for me is that speed glue allows soft rubbers to not bottom out. Boosters, no matter how good can't turn soft rubbers into spun machines. So yeah, not even close is correct. ------------- (\__/) (='.'=) But there's no sense crying over every mistake, (")_(") You just keep on trying till you run out of cake. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/10/2022 at 6:18am
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When people think about booster, the first word is Falco, the second word is softening, the third one is long-lasting They are booster, not even close to speed glue But there is something else, could act similar to speed glue to turn soft rubbers to spring machines Pros use it ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 03/06/2023 at 6:32pm
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any one selling old days speed glue ------------- DHS 032 Butterfly Bryce Highspeed Singapore & Canada |
Posted By: anubhav1984
Date Posted: 03/07/2023 at 12:21am
Do you still sell the booster and reviver? Any chance that I could get some of it in US? ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FL FH - Undecided BH - Undecided |
Posted By: Leftstudio
Date Posted: 03/07/2023 at 2:29am
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if you can, buy Haifu Dolphin speedglue. after 2 brushes that thing turns my H3 to a different animal… ------------- No signature required |
Posted By: merlin el mago
Date Posted: 03/07/2023 at 7:48am
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Short answer: speed glue is so far more effective. ------------- No more political prisoners in Catalonia. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 03/07/2023 at 10:38am
it's illegal anyway...might as well make your own with things like heptane, hexane, naptha, or the original tire patch glues and yes it will be way better than any booster could ever be
------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 03/07/2023 at 12:07pm
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https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=organic+glue+table+tennis" rel="nofollow - https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=organic+glue+table+tennis Those "classic" solid sponges with open cells structure will react to the speed gluing much better than those modern materials with large pores of today"s. -- Some relevant samples to try Hurricane 2, 729 FX, Mark V original. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/08/2023 at 6:09am
Yes I do. Buy 1000ml bottle to save shipping cost. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/09/2023 at 6:07am
Actually, search for any rubber cement on Ebay or Amazon, they are old school speed glue. They are the most powerful speed glue. However, they will leave a thick layer of glue every application time. Haifu Dolphin and Whale are also sold on Ebay and Amazon. They have advanced tuning property without building up excessive thick layers of glue. However, they are incomparable to BTY Minellium Chack, the best speed glue of all time. As a defender, I would love to play against booster or speed glue players. They are easier to defeat than the normal equipment players. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 03/09/2023 at 2:30pm
you're right they've cut most of the voc's out, but you can still get plenty of effect with regular rubber cement ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/11/2023 at 9:50am
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to Loop495 Yes, I use short pips for chopping and I can chop by inverted rubber. I can counter-attack with inverted rubber by both wings. Before speed glue era, I used this one: https://shopee.sg/Multi-Purpose-adhesive-yellow-dragon-glue-y66-5-Lang-i.483069470.8675905929" rel="nofollow - https://shopee.sg/Multi-Purpose-adhesive-yellow-dragon-glue-y66-5-Lang-i.483069470.8675905929 I mixed with its thinner solvent to make glue. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 03/11/2023 at 11:12am
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HEXANE THE KING OF SOLVENTS. Using organic solvent of pure hexane fluid is the best answer to enhance rubber performance greatly. Yes, hexane fluid makes wonders with the old type sponge. Be happy. |
Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 03/11/2023 at 1:01pm
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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 03/11/2023 at 2:05pm
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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 03/11/2023 at 2:08pm
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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 03/11/2023 at 2:12pm
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Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/13/2023 at 6:08am
Hexane is selling on Ebay and Amazon as 500ml can. by 50/50 mixture with any rubber cement, we can bring back the most powerful speed glue! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 03/13/2023 at 11:24am
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Date Posted: 03/13/2023 at 12:15pm
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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 03/13/2023 at 1:07pm
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Posted By: nittakuball
Date Posted: 03/13/2023 at 1:39pm
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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 03/13/2023 at 2:01pm
Sorry, no idea. I stopped using it when it was banned a couple of decades ago.
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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/14/2023 at 1:04am
The most powerful speed glue is tricloroethylene based ones like vulcoflux victoria tiptop
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 03/22/2023 at 10:44am
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Random notes: Different generations of rubber respond to different formulated speed glues and boosters. Speed gluing some of the rubbers that came out long after the ban often produces less than ideal results (erratic performance, uneven stretching, etc). The closest that boosters ever got to producing a speed glue effect (outrageous spin, catching ball feeling) was the brief period after the speed glue ban where companies were allowed to make their own VOC free boosters and compatible sponges. Samba NTEC was one such rubber, and boosted, with the celluloid ball, it reproduced more of the speed glue effect than anything else I have ever tried. One consensus is that boosters will often get you more speed, but not the outrageous spin and catch-release feeling of speed glue. Some sponges (DHS neo blue sponges for example) like Haifu stuff like Seamon Some sponges (Tibhar Evolution series, which smell like TRF booster out of the package) pair nicely with TRF booster Some sponges seem to play nice with Falco Tempo Long (generally, rubbers that are a touch too slow, but do a good job on other metrics). Speaking of boosters, has anyone tried Falco Platinum? Which sponges does it like? p.s. In retrospect, I am glad that the VOC ban went through.This is why solvents like Hexane were banned: https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/sds/sial/296090" rel="nofollow - https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/sds/sial/296090 ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/28/2023 at 8:00am
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Most 3rd generation of Tensor sponges don't like any booster at all: Donic Coppa (all series, 3rd generation) Tibhar 1Q and 5Q Not sure what built in inside the sponge, the glue is always loosen even boosted once. Overall, booster is more advanced than speed glue in term of smell, toxicity, consistency, legality. Current trend is hard porous sponges (likes Dignic) which have more tuning effects by thin booster. The thin booster could be absorbed directly and quickly to the pores, kick up the performance consistently during a week, enough for any tournament without caring for the rubber. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 03/28/2023 at 9:46am
Limonene based glued were banned because it was bad for tt companies.
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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 03/29/2023 at 5:03pm
I didn't like those dlime early boosters anyway. Of course I dont like any booster except the hard stuff ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/29/2023 at 10:03pm
The mixture of D-Lim and glue work well together while the other booster couldn't be mixed to VOC glue. It is similar to the Super Long Chack. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 03/29/2023 at 10:11pm
Actually, D-Lime is far more better than any Falco "booster". The worst experiment I had made was to mix D-lime to Falco Long. Applying that mixture had destroyed 3 sheets of H3 by loosening the glue between topsheet and sponge. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
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Date Posted: 03/31/2023 at 8:24am
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Posted By: Benowa4217
Date Posted: 03/31/2023 at 8:25am
| hey mate how do I get in contact with you |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 04/01/2023 at 12:25am
Contact me via FB: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075597889770" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075597889770 ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 11/30/2023 at 12:18pm
| got my hands on speed glue from TT11 just for the hell of trying it. Initially tried it on Globe 999. Didn't have a lot of playing time with it. It is way faster than with booster but its effect might not be greater than what it done on a Battle II BS. I have a sheet of Donic Coppa and various variants of the h2/3 , skyline 3. What should I try next (including other rubbers) , to get the obvious speed benefit with the crazy spin that the speed glue is supposed to enable. Or am I wasting my time? |