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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

One 5 minute phone call is all it takes to book both the 2020 Nationals and Open in Las Vegas.  How long will they be looking into making that phone call.  As I said before, run the exact same National schedule as they did this year and the 2020 Nationals will be taken care.  That gives them a whole year to "look into" what to do with the 2020 Open.

As a marketing guy, I understand your position.  You're stuck trying to tell us that you have to live with what management does.  Like I said, one 5 minute call solves 2020.  Stay on them.

It might take a bit more than a simple phone call, like a deposit of $$$, no? Which might or might not be readily available.
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

One 5 minute phone call is all it takes to book both the 2020 Nationals and Open in Las Vegas.  How long will they be looking into making that phone call.  As I said before, run the exact same National schedule as they did this year and the 2020 Nationals will be taken care.  That gives them a whole year to "look into" what to do with the 2020 Open.

As a marketing guy, I understand your position.  You're stuck trying to tell us that you have to live with what management does.  Like I said, one 5 minute call solves 2020.  Stay on them.

It might take a bit more than a simple phone call, like a deposit of $$$, no? Which might or might not be readily available.

Many times if a group is a regular user of a facility the don't require an early deposit.  The convention center should have a nice relationship with the USATT.  
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Whoa! Agreed for Nationals, but has Las Vegas even been confirmed for 2020 US Open? 
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Whoa! Agreed for Nationals, but has Las Vegas even been confirmed for 2020 US Open? 

Not even the Nationals has been confirmed.
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I believe Las Vegas is on Pacific Time Zone.

DFW is the 4th largest airport in the world.
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Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

 
I believe Las Vegas is on Pacific Time Zone.

DFW is the 4th largest airport in the world.

Well - I stand corrected. Apologies.
No biggie.  I need to stand correct myself .... DFW is the 4th *busiest* airport in the world.  Its actually the 3rd largest by size.  
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

One 5 minute phone call is all it takes to book both the 2020 Nationals and Open in Las Vegas.  How long will they be looking into making that phone call.  As I said before, run the exact same National schedule as they did this year and the 2020 Nationals will be taken care.  That gives them a whole year to "look into" what to do with the 2020 Open.

As a marketing guy, I understand your position.  You're stuck trying to tell us that you have to live with what management does.  Like I said, one 5 minute call solves 2020.  Stay on them.

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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:


Many times if a group is a regular user of a facility the don't require an early deposit.  The convention center should have a nice relationship with the USATT.  

SERIOUSLY ? 
Do you know probably more than 100s of groups with lot more money & clout use  any smaller convention center, let alone Las Vegas Convention center, which could probably be the busiest in the world ?

Anyway most cool (weatherwise I mean) in the summer Northern states like Alaska or North Dakota or NH, VT, ME etc  may be better venues to host the US Closed in the summer.  You may get cheaper playing venues and the states may give some breaks as they can badly use the business.  

Las Vegas in summer really sucks like 130 degrees.

I know many explained many time why LV is overall better but to run both US Closed  & Open in the same sin city over and over sucks.

At least US Open in December may be OK as it may attract many foreign tourist players who want to gamble or think prostitution is legal in Las Vegas Embarrassed 

The only thing cool for me (about Las Vegas) is to be able to rent Ferraris or Lamborghinis etc and drive on the race track. Are there any other cities that have this ? 
 


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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

One 5 minute phone call is all it takes to book both the 2020 Nationals and Open in Las Vegas.  How long will they be looking into making that phone call.  As I said before, run the exact same National schedule as they did this year and the 2020 Nationals will be taken care.  That gives them a whole year to "look into" what to do with the 2020 Open.

As a marketing guy, I understand your position.  You're stuck trying to tell us that you have to live with what management does.  Like I said, one 5 minute call solves 2020.  Stay on them.

It might take a bit more than a simple phone call, like a deposit of $$$, no? Which might or might not be readily available.

Many times if a group is a regular user of a facility the don't require an early deposit.  The convention center should have a nice relationship with the USATT.  


This is the more likely scenario, having a relationship means nothing if a deposit isn't on time or payable...convention space isn't a "relationship based commodity", you hold a "space" with money paid in advance - months or sometime years in advance.
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Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:


Many times if a group is a regular user of a facility the don't require an early deposit.  The convention center should have a nice relationship with the USATT.  

SERIOUSLY ? 
Do you know probably more than 100s of groups with lot more money & clout use  any smaller convention center, let alone Las Vegas Convention center, which could probably be the busiest in the world.

I used facilities, big and small for over 20 years.  After a few years I could call the facility a year in advance, reserve my date, and not sign the actual contract until a few weeks prior to my event.  Deposits were rarely required and I paid for the facility the night of the event or the following Monday.
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After spending time with mts388 and hearing some of his stories I am convinced that if he was promoting the US Nationals, Vegas would end up paying the USATT to come there.  That man is a promoter.  If only his TT game was as strong.

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This topic was started on 6-8-2019. Here we are on 8-22-2019, still no way to enter or even to know what events are being run.

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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

This topic was started on 6-8-2019. Here we are on 8-22-2019, still no way to enter or even to know what events are being run.


Do you mean 8-6-2019? It was made over 2 weeks ago.
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Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

This topic was started on 6-8-2019. Here we are on 8-22-2019, still no way to enter or even to know what events are being run.


Do you mean 8-6-2019? It was made over 2 weeks ago.
 
No, they told us location (Ft. Worth) and dates. No entry blank or online registration, or even a list of events.
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The entry prospectus should be out this week. 78 events. 3 rated doubles events 3100, 3800 and 4500. No Super tiered RR event. 7 event max limit.
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Nice to see they cut back on events, although I'll miss the super tiered.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Nice to see they cut back on events, although I'll miss the super tiered.


I have the opposite reaction. When I attended the December 2018 Open the tables sat unused a great deal of the time. In fact, I can't recall all tables in use at the same time ever (though it might be possible I missed that moment). So the idea of less events doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless you shorten the whole tournament by a day or two.


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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Nice to see they cut back on events, although I'll miss the super tiered.


I have the opposite reaction. When I attended the December 2018 Open the tables sat unused a great deal of the time. In fact, I can't recall all tables in use at the same time ever (though it might be possible I missed that moment). So the idea of less events doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless you shorten the whole tournament by a day or two.

I think we might see some cuts in the junior and hardbat events.  They could have the rating events 250 points apart, but I don't think they would do that.  The could have more combined junior and adult rating events.  I'm okay with 7 entries, unless I can't find 7 events I would normally enter.

Last years Open was a mess.  I can't imagine them trying something similar.

edit I just looked at the 2019 Nationals and found 27 events that could be cut without hurting (in my opinion) the event.


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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Nice to see they cut back on events, although I'll miss the super tiered.


I have the opposite reaction. When I attended the December 2018 Open the tables sat unused a great deal of the time. In fact, I can't recall all tables in use at the same time ever (though it might be possible I missed that moment). So the idea of less events doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless you shorten the whole tournament by a day or two.

I think we might see some cuts in the junior and hardbat events.  They could have the rating events 250 points apart, but I don't think they would do that.  The could have more combined junior and adult rating events.  I'm okay with 7 entries, unless I can't find 7 events I would normally enter.

Last years Open was a mess.  I can't imagine them trying something similar.

edit I just looked at the 2019 Nationals and found 27 events that I could be cut without hurting (in my opinion) the event.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Nice to see they cut back on events, although I'll miss the super tiered.


I have the opposite reaction. When I attended the December 2018 Open the tables sat unused a great deal of the time. In fact, I can't recall all tables in use at the same time ever (though it might be possible I missed that moment). So the idea of less events doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless you shorten the whole tournament by a day or two.

I think we might see some cuts in the junior and hardbat events.  They could have the rating events 250 points apart, but I don't think they would do that.  The could have more combined junior and adult rating events.  I'm okay with 7 entries, unless I can't find 7 events I would normally enter.

Last years Open was a mess.  I can't imagine them trying something similar.

edit I just looked at the 2019 Nationals and found 27 events that could be cut without hurting (in my opinion) the event.


I take it you don't play hardbat? Wink

I think the thing that gets lost in all this is that these events are what is funding the tournament. We don't have big sponsors. If a critical mass of ordinary players don't show up there is no money for the tournament. That is why there are so many events.
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US Open entry form and registration are now online.
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Looks like USATT may be eliminating any reason for me to train and try to get better.

No individual championship events for O60, O70, etc.  Wonder if they will follow the same idea at Nationals.

I was organizing my training to peak for the O80 title in 2034 but I guess that is just a hopeless dream now.

And how do you plan an O70 team since you not sure who will be needing a walker by the time the tournament starts.

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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

Looks like USATT may be eliminating any reason for me to train and try to get better.

No individual championship events for O60, O70, etc.  Wonder if they will follow the same idea at Nationals.

I was organizing my training to peak for the O80 title in 2034 but I guess that is just a hopeless dream now.

And how do you plan an O70 team since you not sure who will be needing a walker by the time the tournament starts.

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All seniors over 50 lumped together in either Men or Women????
One hardbat event???? Not even Men's and Women's????
And yet there are rating events for Juniors, U-2000, U-1900, U-1800, U-1700, U-1600, U-1400, U-1200 and U-1000
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Less than 500 players will show up.  Could be closer to 400.

If you default a match you're out of the rest of the tournament.

You would think they would understand their market, but they don't have a clue.
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4 day event.

Just looking at the usual 1400-1800 player, each is broken up into 100 point brackets so a fair amount of play there.

For fun I broke down my costs if I was to attend.
Fly in Monday, practice.
Play Tuesday U1700 @1:30 pm
Play U2000 @ 8:30 am
Play Wednesday U1800 @ 5:30 pm
Fly out Thursday

3 Events, $180 + 25 player pass
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Hotel: $300ish
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$761 + food and taxi service. $850 most likely.
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you cant enter online

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Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

4 day event.

Just looking at the usual 1400-1800 player, each is broken up into 100 point brackets so a fair amount of play there.

For fun I broke down my costs if I was to attend.
Fly in Monday, practice.
Play Tuesday U1700 @1:30 pm
Play U2000 @ 8:30 am
Play Wednesday U1800 @ 5:30 pm
Fly out Thursday

3 Events, $180 + 25 player pass
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$761 + food and taxi service. $850 most likely.

About $50 a match
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