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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

I wish I could still play with the 38mm ball.  The bigger ball bounces so erratically it is upsetting.   Also when playing back in the day, all 38mm 3 star balls played about the same.  I didn't ever care what balls a particular tournament was using because it took 2 seconds to adjust.  Now, every single 40+mm 3 star ball feels dramatically different.  Gewo, Nittaku, Xu Shaofa, DHS, Butterfly and many others all play differently.  Maybe one day the ball material will get sorted out and the bounce will be more standard, but I doubt it...

The only outlier was the TSP ball, which I liked but a lot of people seemed to dislike.  That Yellow color (Not Orange) was great in a lot of the places I played.  Orange balls blend into the color of many of the Gym floors I play on.
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Halex balls were perfectly round, they just had no weight whatsoever. On very fast Jaques tables the were OK.

They played the 1977 Worlds (in Birmingham) with Halex balls, my coach asked Klampar if there was anything he would like to say about the tournament, Klampar responded that he couldn't feel the ball on his racket.


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I hated Halex balls.  I truly hated them.
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I learned with Halex and Harvard!


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Originally posted by Simas Simas wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Even in 38 mm days I liked Nittaku best.
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so you are a Nittaku connoisseur Big smile

I have 38mm Nittaku and Double Circle in my little TT balls collection. In total I have 16 38mm balls (not a lot LOL ) in my TT balls jar.

it would be nice to play with 38mm balls for a couple of matches (got nostalgic while posting LOL )


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I wish I could still play with the 38mm ball.  The bigger ball bounces so erratically it is upsetting.   Also when playing back in the day, all 38mm 3 star balls played about the same.  I didn't ever care what balls a particular tournament was using because it took 2 seconds to adjust.  Now, every single 40+mm 3 star ball feels dramatically different.  Gewo, Nittaku, Xu Shaofa, DHS, Butterfly and many others all play differently.  Maybe one day the ball material will get sorted out and the bounce will be more standard, but I doubt it...
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I forgot about 38mm balls a week after I played with the 40mm balls
I still have some types but only because I now collect any TT ball
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I play with a 38mm ball for fun sometimes as we still have some in our collection.
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started playing in the mid 70's. First blade was either a Bob Brickell balsa bat, or a Butterfly English (?). Saw an ad for Paddle Palace in a table tennis topics while at a club in the basement of an old steel factory in Evansville, Indiana. From then on, only played with Nittaku balls. Still my choice now at almost 68. Present setup for a year is 89 gram Viscaria with 05 Hard on both sides.

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Even in 38 mm days I liked Nittaku best.
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so you are a Nittaku connoisseur Big smile

I have 38mm Nittaku and Double Circle in my little TT balls collection. In total I have 16 38mm balls (not a lot LOL ) in my TT balls jar.

it would be nice to play with 38mm balls for a couple of matches (got nostalgic while posting LOL )
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1st racket was a Kenny style Butterfly 1.5 allround sponge.
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Originally posted by julidean79 julidean79 wrote:

A long time ago.... i use double circle balls for training.... nittaku 3 star for tournaments and league matches
me too LOL
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Even in 38 mm days I liked Nittaku best.
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Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

> two color rule

Before the two color rule, Eric Boggan used the same color on both sides of his paddle (black), with anti-spin rubber on one side. He'd flip the bat under the table, so opponents weren't sure which side was being used for serves or returns.

If he twiddled visibly over the table, are you saying opponents can tell ? They can't 

Cai Zhenhua used to to high toss the ball & while it was going up & down, he would twiddle his racket like 10 times . I am not sure even he knew which side he would strike the ball with.  

 

Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

> two color rule
 He used the same grip as Danny Seemiller.

Yes and No.
There are some differences in how Danny uses his grip & Eric does.
I think Danny has his thumb & index fingers on the left & right edge of the blade & I think Eric holds it differently   Danny had a powerful forehand. Eric had backhand block like a wall. 
I am not sure how players Rich Burnside (Seemiller student ?) or Rick Seemiller or Randy Seemiller hold their rackets. Maybe Danny can elaborate.  There is also another player from Pennsylvania (York area) who was around 2300 who has similar grip with inverted /long pips combo 

I think there was a 2200+ player from Connecticut named Shapiro (his son's name was Brain but I think his  name was Dave I may be wrong).  He used his grip like Seemiller but modified such the he can play both backhand and backhand using either side of the racket  (smooth spinny one side & long-pips on other side I think) .  
Joe Cummings a hardbat player from Texas I think has similar grip. I heard he took Jonyer (in his prime) to 5 games (21 points)



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A long time ago.... i use double circle balls for training.... nittaku 3 star for tournaments and league matches
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Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

Brands of 38 mm that I recall:

Barna - hard ball with rough surface
Halex - average ball (I have a box of 6 of these still)
Nittaku - average ball
Peace - soft ball with very smooth surface
Schildkrot - hard ball with rough surface

 
These are all accurate reviews. Our favorite balls were Nittaku, very consistent and high quality control.
Halex were also high quality, but so light and soft it was hard to get any feedback.
Schildkrot, so hard, afraid of injuring the rubber.
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Brands of 38 mm that I recall:

Barna - hard ball with rough surface
Halex - average ball (I have a box of 6 of these still)
Nittaku - average ball
Peace - soft ball with very smooth surface
Schildkrot - hard ball with rough surface

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It seems we are overwhelmingly experienced Clap

Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

I did play with 38mm balls and still have a dozen.

I have 16 different 38mm balls. All counted in my xls LOL:

1 BERY 201
2 BERY 202
3 Butterfly
4 CPORT (soviet union)
5 CPORT (soviet union) 8 kp
6 Crenpkona Vietnam
7 Double Circles
8 Kettler One Star
9 Milano (India)
10 Nittaku
11 Nameless plastic(?) shit
12 Rovera
13 SHIELD -38mm x3vnt
14 Another nameless plastic shit
15 TTC China
16 Vietnam 01

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Dr. Rufford Harrison said (explaining the differences between black & red rubbers) one was a dye & one was a pigment (forgot which was which) . This may have changed over 30 years and both colors may be now available in both pigments & dyes .

Why is all this red & black discussed in a thread about 38 mm ball anyway? 
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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

  My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.

If you look at the ITTF history webpage it says two color rule came in 1983 but re & black only came in 1986. I think lot pf players including me did not know the rule change or pretending or protesting in 1986.




Yes, there was a gap. Originally it was thought that just any two colors would be fine. But, given human nature, many players were picking black and deep maroon, which was extremely hard to differentiate (but technically legal). So we finally arrived at red and black.

Wasn't it called "bright" red?  The idea was to discourage a dark blue or black sponge under a translucent red topsheet, which would defeat the purpose of having a red topsheet.
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Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

  My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.

If you look at the ITTF history webpage it says two color rule came in 1983 but re & black only came in 1986. I think lot pf players including me did not know the rule change or pretending or protesting in 1986.




Yes, there was a gap. Originally it was thought that just any two colors would be fine. But, given human nature, many players were picking black and deep maroon, which was extremely hard to differentiate (but technically legal). So we finally arrived at red and black.
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Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

 When I was going home the club Manager came up to me and said hmmm..... hay we don't wear white because of the ball colour, I had a white shirt, white shorts, white socks and white sand-shoes.
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Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

I thought it would be like Tennis hahaha,

U mean more like (test) cricket ? 

I think they started using colors already in tennis by 80's if I am not mistaken
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

  My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.

If you look at the ITTF history webpage it says two color rule came in 1983 but re & black only came in 1986. I think lot pf players including me did not know the rule change or pretending or protesting in 1986.


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Good stories
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 When I was going home the club Manager came up to me and said hmmm..... hay we don't wear white because of the ball colour, I had a white shirt, white shorts, white socks and white sand-shoes.
I had no idea, I thought it would be like Tennis hahaha, I still remind others about wearing white almost weekly
 The next week I got told that I couldn't have decals on the rubbers
I used only two different bats for the next 14 years without ever changing the rubbers
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My first tournament was 1983 (Mississippi Open-Starkville). I was surprised to see some paddles there with black rubber on one side and red on the other. 
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Table tennis is played with 38 mm ball. Ping pang  - with 40+

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Originally posted by dina_arif dina_arif wrote:

Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

The initial two color rule was any two colors as long as they did not look similar (blue and blue-green (aqua)) would have been considered two close in color. The switch to red and black was later in 1985. 
From what I read somewhere, Dr.Rufford Harrison, the author of this rule was quoted as saying "We considered using two color groups" but then manufacturers chose to go with Red & Black" 

I checked ITTF history webpage & it does say "Two Color Rule" came in 1983 but red & black came only 1985.   Since heavyspin did not quote the year I was mistaken about this. I apologize regardless & I assume he was quoting between 1983 & 1985   
My first tournament was definitely March 1986 and my first opponent played with green and gold. From what I recall the black and red rule went into effect shortly after, like 1987.
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In Belgium, there are some tounaments (near Antwerpen) where 38mm balls are used. I know several very good players who stopped playing official competition since the plastic balls.
They were still very strong with plastic balls but didn't have so much fun....
Some of them completely stopped and some just play with each other for fun, with 38mm balls, speedglue for some, old long pimples....


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Originally posted by rcgldr rcgldr wrote:

The initial two color rule was any two colors as long as they did not look similar (blue and blue-green (aqua)) would have been considered two close in color. The switch to red and black was later in 1985. 
From what I read somewhere, Dr.Rufford Harrison, the author of this rule was quoted as saying "We considered using two color groups" but then manufacturers chose to go with Red & Black" 

I checked ITTF history webpage & it does say "Two Color Rule" came in 1983 but red & black came only 1985.   Since heavyspin did not quote the year I was mistaken about this. I apologize regardless & I assume he was quoting between 1983 & 1985   
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