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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

TAKE IT OFF, PLEASE

ITTF HANDBOOK FOR MATCH OFFICIALS, 16th edition 2019
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8. CLOTHING
8.4   Legality

8.4.5 The regulations define “normal clothing” but do not specifically preclude the wearing of such
items as headgear and “cycling shorts”, and the referee must decide in each case what he
or she will allow, taking into account presentation of the sport. Headgear worn for religious
reasons and headbands to prevent long hair from obscuring a player’s view are clearly
acceptable, but most referees would not allow the wearing of, for example, reversed baseball
caps.
8.4.6 Some players wear cycling shorts, usually under normal shorts, as a means of keeping
muscles warm, and this practice is generally accepted. It is recommended, however, that
where such shorts are worn they should be of the same colour as the normal shorts and, in
any case, they must not carry any advertisements or other markings.

   Gloves of any kind, I do feel it just a fancy garment unnecessary. There is no medical prescription, no religious reasons for wearing gloves. I would take a harsh stance against.


Because you like exerting power over trivial and fairly pointless issues that in any case, hardly anyone would see?
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Originally posted by MrLee4ATTC MrLee4ATTC wrote:

In this case, the glove is to minimize the impact of sweat - just like a sweatband or headband.


I suspect grip tape would work better.  And umpires like Igor would not be harassing you.
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Robert Trudell sometimes played with gloves.




Trudell was the one who was not allowed to wear tight shorts underneath his regular shorts.  It was pretty clear to me at the time that they were treating his case with prejudice.  But Robert didn't seem all that bothered by their decision.  He made his case and moved on.  ;^)

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3.2.2.1 Playing clothing shall consist of a short-sleeved or sleeveless shirt and shorts or skirt or one-part sports outfits, socks and playing shoes; other garments, such as part or all of a tracksuit, shall not be worn during play except with the permission of the referee.
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. It’s no surprise that there are different opinions on whether or not it’s ok to wear a glove on the playing hand in a USATT match. 

 

Obviously, there are opinions because there is no clear rule. Some peoples’ interpretation is that if it’s not stipulated in the rules as being approved, it’s not ok. Others are the opposite, if it’s not specifically forbidden, it’s ok. 

 

For the record, I do use grip tape on the racket handle but in a tournament, with the extra stress of competition for rating points, I tend to sweat more and the grip tape which is ok for recreational play doesn’t work as well in a tournament match. Also, the glove in question is a dark blue, same color as the sweatband on my other hand/wrist, so there’s no way it impacts visibility of the ball.

 

To me, a glove is no different than a sweatband or headband which are not mentioned in the rules, yet they are commonly accepted. I guess that’s my main issue. I don’t like the ambiguity created by lacking a clear rule on such a simple item, which in turn creates the opportunity for contradictory interpretations by tournament officials and in turn, an unnecessary hassle for the player. 

 

I recognize that this question is extremely insignificant compared with the USATT’s bigger issues which are topics of other discussions in this forum. As such, I don’t see resolution with an update to the rules on this detail anytime soon. 

 

I posted my question because I didn’t know the answer. Now, at least I do know that there is no clear answer, which means if necessary, I can argue my case accordingly. 

 

Thanks again to everyone who chimed in with comments – I appreciate it!

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To me, a glove is no different than a sweatband or headband which are not mentioned in the rules, yet they are commonly accepted.

On this point, there is a difference.  You may hit the ball with your glove, but not with your sweatband or headband.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

To me, a glove is no different than a sweatband or headband which are not mentioned in the rules, yet they are commonly accepted.

On this point, there is a difference.  You may hit the ball with your glove, but not with your sweatband or headband.

Thanks.

You can not strike the ball with anything you wear. Ball on glove = ball on shirt. 
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Originally posted by Mytoman Mytoman wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

To me, a glove is no different than a sweatband or headband which are not mentioned in the rules, yet they are commonly accepted.

On this point, there is a difference.  You may hit the ball with your glove, but not with your sweatband or headband.

Thanks.

You can not strike the ball with anything you wear. Ball on glove = ball on shirt. 
 
That's what DonnOlsen meant. Racket-holding hand is considered part of the racket but once you wear a glove on it, it's not. Thus why wearing a glove is not allowed.
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Originally posted by MrLee4ATTC MrLee4ATTC wrote:

 

Obviously, there are opinions because there is no clear rule. 


Actually, the rule is pretty simple and clear.  What is unclear is why or when exceptions are allowed.  Though there is some history that can help you make a decent guess on many items.

And, of course, there can be no assurance that the rule will actually be enforced. We see this issue routinely, for instance, with service rule violations.  
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Originally posted by MrLee4ATTC MrLee4ATTC wrote:

I don’t like the ambiguity created by lacking a clear rule on such a simple item, which in turn creates the opportunity for contradictory interpretations by tournament officials and in turn, an unnecessary hassle for the player. 

Sure, but what about all the other simple items possible? If it were common for players to want to play with a glove, there would probably be a specific rule on gloves.  But it is very uncommon given that most players prefer to directly feel their handle and blade.

Also, keep in mind the the ITTF/USATT rules are primarily oriented toward professional and Olympic athletes, not regular "Joes" like you and I.



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Bloody stigmata is the only case that I accept glove wearing.
We know a few guys in Europa endowed with the Godsends, none in USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata#Saint_Padre_Pio_of_Pietrelcina
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Wearing a glove is quite legal and referees won't have a problem with the it. Unless of course it's a distraction to the opponent whether by colour, garishness etc. Basically like any other piece of clothing.
So a white glove is a big no no and most player protests will probably get very sympathetic hearings.

On the match side, I would think that the wearing of gloves would be disadvantageous. Think about the number of times that a ball hits a player's hand below the wrist. A glove is clothing, thus any ball hit is a point to the opponent.
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Originally posted by MrLee4ATTC MrLee4ATTC wrote:

In this case, the glove is to minimize the impact of sweat - just like a sweatband or headband.

was about to ask why do you need them...

Sweatband or headband minimze the impact of sweat by prevent the sweat going into your eyes or palms, gloves won't prevent that, but will soak the sweat and will become wet (unless they would be waterproof, but in that case it's like playing with owen mittens imho LOL ). Not sure if playing with wet gloves is better then playing without them and brushing the sweat into shorts or using a towel...
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Originally posted by SumFyo SumFyo wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:


Also, keep in mind the the ITTF/USATT rules are primarily oriented toward professional and Olympic athletes, not regular "Joes" like you and I.


This is an extremely confusing at many levels because 

!. All tournaments state that " All USATT / ITTF rules  enforced" . So which one ? USATT or ITTF ?
Don't tell me they are same. I know they are not. So does ITTF rules always supercede USATT's etc ?

If it is a USATT tournament, then the USATT rules apply.  And yes, they are largely the same. USATT rules are ITTF rules modified by a page or so of specific exceptions. You can find that document here:

https://www.teamusa.org/usa-table-tennis/rules

Also note that there is an additional USATT document. "USATT Rule Interpretation and Precedents" that provides guidance for USATT rules.  

Originally posted by SumFyo SumFyo wrote:

2.  A USATT league in a basement may allow all kinds of illegal rackets . Yet the ratings are processed the same. So a player using a legal racket in USATT tournament may be rated 1200 but using an illegal racket rated 2200 in official USATT league (even if you assume that the initial rating estimate for this player in the league was both correct & ethical)    

So on and so forth

This would be a very unusual situation.  Typically rackets used in leagues are very much in line with USATT/ITTF regulations.  Areas of non-conformance are usually matters of wear and tear, not material and design and so don't generally matter much.  This is particularly true for league players who also play in USATT tournaments.  Most clearly illegal rackets a cheap rackets brought in by new players that usually don't provide any substantial competitive advantage against even moderately skilled players.

But even if that wasn't the case, it is super unlikely (probably impossible really) that a 2200 level player with an illegal racket in league would drop to 1200 level for tournaments. That would only happens if the player was simply not trying for some reason or other.




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