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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hleett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/07/2020 at 3:50pm
Very interesting. Please do upload photos...and what's the weight?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ray Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/08/2020 at 12:59am
Originally posted by yylik yylik wrote:

Anyone notice that Imperial Hinoki 2020 is not available in Japan market? I can't find in Iruru or other Japanese online store.

I have few darker speed 90s, one from China and others from Japan. The one from China has a "different" feel from the rest. There is a possibility of fake product, or I just got a lemon. Incidentally, my friend shared the same thoughts (both of us bought from the same China seller).

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Darker Imperial Hinoki blades are not available in Japan simply because they are made exclusively for TT11. Here's  a confirmation from Darker Japan Wink:

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https://imgur.com/a/CIcvMPC

my Darker Speed 90 ST dimensions.

the weight is 92gr (and the one i play with is 88gr and with Dignics 05 both sides 178gr)



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Looks like 150x155mm to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kakapo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/09/2020 at 2:11am
It seems the Darker Imperial is sold in China but with a different look and twice the price of TT11
801,66 $ exactly





Edited by kakapo - 02/09/2020 at 2:14am
Nittaku Goriki 94gr, victas V15 extra 2mm, super do knuckle, 1,4mm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tinykin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/09/2020 at 7:16am
One for a history expert. Didn't Darker always sell a select few separately?
Basically one that had a couple letters to describe?
I'm wondering if the Imperial maybe this version in that it's a select wood.
>65yo, presently overweight rather than obese.

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Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Looks like 150x155mm to me.

I don't know how it looks in the photos but it's definitely 157 x 152 mm
when i find time I'll put a measure on it to be clear, if you like


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kakapo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/09/2020 at 9:37am
mine is exactly that size. I have 4 darker speed 90 and 3 of them also have this size. My Darker tanpan is also with that size. I have also 1 speed 90 with 15,2 X 15,5. I measured all my Darker today.

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Nittaku Goriki 94gr, victas V15 extra 2mm, super do knuckle, 1,4mm
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Nittaku Goriki 94gr, victas V15 extra 2mm, super do knuckle, 1,4mm
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

some pictures:


so, do you see any real-life differences between Speed 90 and Imperial?
is it worth paying 120€ more?
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The grain is nicer. 

Not as nice as the red Taiwanese cypress 1000 year tree blade made by Gerry Yu


The handle of the ST blade seems different.
On a collectible point of view, this is a nice blade. On a player's point of view, I don't know. I won't tried it.
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Have you tried the Gerry Yu blade? I chatted with him and he said the Taiwan cypress is harder and denser than the kiso hinoki, and they cost more. Yours looks like what he called a S or SS grade. How do you like it compare to the ds90? 

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i have a taiwan yellow cypress from tony of ilovepingpong, the feeling is harder than kiso, also thinner at 8mm cpen,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tinykin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/09/2020 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

some pictures:https://flic.kr/s/aHsmLhR1hq


Those are some very nice blades

>65yo, presently overweight rather than obese.

2x Darker Speed90 with T05H/Dignics05 and D80/D05.

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Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Have you tried the Gerry Yu blade? I chatted with him and he said the Taiwan cypress is harder and denser than the kiso hinoki, and they cost more. Yours looks like what he called a S or SS grade. How do you like it compare to the ds90? 


Mine is with red cypress. It is slower than the yellow Taiwanese Cypress and offers more control.
I had a discussion about my way of playing and we decided it would have been better to go for a more controlable blade.
It is perfect for blocking smoothly and hitting when you want. It is not really a looping blade of course but on pushes from your opponent, you can open up with a nice spinny topspin.
I like the Darker S90 but it offers far less control.
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Many years ago I read at least 2 cases where c-pen with thickness of 8,5 mm were split along the wood lines (I forgot what caused that) and more or less it is agreed that single ply hinoki should have at least 9 mm. I wonder if the situation is different now. I believe the thread is still there. I find that single ply hinoki is too thick and bulky for me, so I always choose the thinnest, that is 9mm. I have Kokutaku Cho Super, Cho Tokusen A, TSP Hanabi, Speed 90 and Darker Hy Blade, all in J-pen 9mm. They are all now sitting in my cupboard as I am now using multi-ply C-Pen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tinykin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/13/2020 at 1:21pm
Don't make the stories of 1-ply blades put you off. Yes when they split it looks dramatic but they are very easy to repair.
This unlike most multi-ply blades. I have lost over 10 blades in the last 15 years or so. they either break at the handle, lifting plies, chipped plies etc. Think of the amount of times that you see your playing mates with damaged mulit-ply blades.
In fact, I've lost 2x multi-ply blades this year. One was a badly chipped surface and the other had a top ply separate. There was a third that broke when it hit a wall....but we won't talk about thatUnhappy



Edited by Tinykin - 02/13/2020 at 1:23pm
>65yo, presently overweight rather than obese.

2x Darker Speed90 with T05H/Dignics05 and D80/D05.

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