World Team Championships 2012

Well if you believe that will or won't be the result why?

Edited by bozbrisvegas - 03/26/2012 at 9:47am

it appears this is blocked on Itv for us American's.......

anyone know of an alternate way of watching the World Team Championships?

why cant we watch it?

the best I have found is that you can buy it on universal sports for 10 bucks per day or 40 for the whole tournament.  Here is the link if anyone in the US is interested.
http://www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/article/newsid=583858.html

Japan or Germany as second.

www.bwin.com you can watch but u need to have an account there

US men are only in the 3rd division this year (for the first time in many years) and are supposed to do well there. The goal is to move back up to the 2nd division.

US women are in the championship division, that's a whole different story. They lost 1-3 to Romania, a good result considering that Gao Jun didn't play. Lily Zhang beat world #47 Daniela Dodean, and Ariel Hsing almost beat Dodean as well - lost 13-15 in the 5th, too bad!

bozbrisvegas wrote: amateur wrote: US men are only in the 3rd division this year (for the first time in many years) and are supposed to do well there. The goal is to move back up to the 2nd division. US women are in the championship division, that's a whole different story. They lost 1-3 to Romania, a good result considering that Gao Jun didn't play. Lily Zhang beat world #47 Daniela Dodean, and Ariel Hsing almost beat Dodean as well - lost 13-15 in the 5th, too bad! The women are all Asian right?

bozbrisvegas wrote: The women are all Asian right?

Not sure what you mean by "Asian."

All US women were born in the USA, except for Gao Jun, who was born in China (and who didn't play against Romania).

All members of the US men's team were also born in the USA, for the first time in many years. Three of them are Asian-American.

Lily Zhang from Palo Alto, California. Rated 2500. Will turn 16 in June.

"The German and Polish women" come from Asia? Do Silbereisen, Ivancan, Grzybowska, Partyka look Asian to you?

Ovtcharov comes from Ukraine, what should we call him? Is Kreanga Romanian?

What's the use of those general labels? Look at each individual's life story, they're all different.

And so back to the US girls: no, they don't come from Asia. Their parents did.


Edited by amateur - 03/26/2012 at 9:53am

I suppose when Wu Jiaduo moved to Germany she lost her Asian heritage.

bozbrisvegas wrote: I suppose when Wu Jiaduo moved to Germany she lost her Asian heritage. Anyway I live in Asia and am married to an Asian and when she immigrates to Australia she will still be Asian.   If they were born in the country they represent that is a different thing and that is what I was asking.

You are confusing here the race and the nationality (as well as the cultural aspect). Of course, they are Asian by race, that is by the continent of origin of their ancestors, but in the United States (especially currently) this is not what is meant when people are said to be Asian.

Wu was born in China and moved to Germany when she was already a rather fully formed human being, her cultural upbringing (and her TT technique, by the way) being Chinese.

Ariel, Lily and Erica were all born in the USA (their parents are first-gen Asian immigrants), they were raised in the USA, have cultural setup of American teenagers. Of course, they are somewhat different from their classmates as family dynamic is different - but that is true for so many families that we should not even go into that.

In the USA there are so many immigrants and their children from Europe, Africa, Asia, Latin America. If we started calling each of them Hungarian (John von Neumann, mathematician), Russian (Lenny Krayzelburg, swimmer), Kenyan (Obama, president), Chinese (Jeffrey Lin, basketball player), Mexican (Joan Baez, singer/songwriter) - it would not only lead to confusion but also impact the whole idea of the US as the melting pot which is not supposed to make distinction by where the people come from but rather by what these people are, how they live and contribute to the overall culture etc.

So we say that these girls are American (not even Asian-American, I might add) but if someone is really interested in their racial makeup, we could add they are Asian-Americans - usually saying that they are fully American, meaning they were born and raised here with all that follows.

A personal example: I was not born in the US but immigrated here almost 20 years ago. I cannot really call myself an American (I am a citizen though), because I was not raised here, my inner culture is Russian, I read books in both languages, I am more comfortable (still) talking in Russian when I want to convey nuances. My kids however were all born here, they went to American daycare and schools, and despite the fact that both their parents are Russian-born, despite the fact that we speak Russian at home, they are American kids through-and-through (sometimes a bit too much, alas) with all the pluses and minuses that entails. They do not want to read Russian books (although they attend Russian language classes), they do not listen to their parents the way we did etc etc... so whenever someone asks me "where are you from?" I hesitate because I need to ascertain if the answer should be "from Massachusetts" or if (based on context) they expect to hear something like "Eastern Europe" or "Russia, originally".

Hope that helps.

Maze withdrew a few days before the tournament. Still trouble with his knee.