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Could FZD lose intentionally to LJK so LJK can play in the grand final? Just a speculation.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Could FZD lose intentionally to LJK so LJK can play in the grand final? Just a speculation.

My bad, LJK qualified already.
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something not mentioned about HT incessant choing, even though an often stated excuse is that he does it to relax himself:  doing something to benefit oneself at his opponent's expense is one of the notion of unsportsman  conduct.  So answer me this, why does he not scream as well when he loses a point if it is done to relax himself????
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something not mentioned about HT incessant choing, even though an often stated excuse is that he does it to relax himself:  doing something to benefit oneself at his opponent's expense is one of the notion of unsportsman  conduct.  So answer me this, why does he not scream as well when he loses a point if it is done to relax himself????

Seriously? I've never heard of anyone cho'ing when they *lose* a point.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

something not mentioned about HT incessant choing, even though an often stated excuse is that he does it to relax himself:  doing something to benefit oneself at his opponent's expense is one of the notion of unsportsman  conduct.  So answer me this, why does he not scream as well when he loses a point if it is done to relax himself????

Seriously? I've never heard of anyone cho'ing when they *lose* a point.
for obvious reasons - but don't say he is screaming all over the place to stay relaxed
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

something not mentioned about HT incessant choing, even though an often stated excuse is that he does it to relax himself:  doing something to benefit oneself at his opponent's expense is one of the notion of unsportsman  conduct.  So answer me this, why does he not scream as well when he loses a point if it is done to relax himself????

Seriously? I've never heard of anyone cho'ing when they *lose* a point.
for obvious reasons - but don't say he is screaming all over the place to stay relaxed
Maybe it's a stress release, and he considers that relaxing.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

something not mentioned about HT incessant choing, even though an often stated excuse is that he does it to relax himself:  doing something to benefit oneself at his opponent's expense is one of the notion of unsportsman  conduct.  So answer me this, why does he not scream as well when he loses a point if it is done to relax himself????

Seriously? I've never heard of anyone cho'ing when they *lose* a point.
for obvious reasons - but don't say he is screaming all over the place to stay relaxed
Maybe it's a stress release, and he considers that relaxing.
i don't doubt that is a possibility but why not scream randomly not just when the opponent loses a point including unforced errors- which do you not think could get on the opponents' nerves.   with that being said, I just watched his loss to XX, it had many good exchanges 


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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

something not mentioned about HT incessant choing, even though an often stated excuse is that he does it to relax himself:  doing something to benefit oneself at his opponent's expense is one of the notion of unsportsman  conduct.  So answer me this, why does he not scream as well when he loses a point if it is done to relax himself????

Seriously? I've never heard of anyone cho'ing when they *lose* a point.

for obvious reasons - but don't say he is screaming all over the place to stay relaxed

Maybe it's a stress release, and he considers that relaxing.

i don't doubt that is a possibility but why not scream randomly not just when the opponent loses a point including unforced errors- which do you not think could get on the opponents' nerves.   with that being said, I just watched his loss to XX, it had many good exchanges 



He screams even when he plays low ranked players so its no a good reason there s no reason to be stressed when playing an easy player. He scream to annoy the opponent and he scream 3 times every point
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

something not mentioned about HT incessant choing, even though an often stated excuse is that he does it to relax himself:  doing something to benefit oneself at his opponent's expense is one of the notion of unsportsman  conduct.  So answer me this, why does he not scream as well when he loses a point if it is done to relax himself????

Seriously? I've never heard of anyone cho'ing when they *lose* a point.

for obvious reasons - but don't say he is screaming all over the place to stay relaxed

Maybe it's a stress release, and he considers that relaxing.

i don't doubt that is a possibility but why not scream randomly not just when the opponent loses a point including unforced errors- which do you not think could get on the opponents' nerves.   with that being said, I just watched his loss to XX, it had many good exchanges 



He screams even when he plays low ranked players so its no a good reason there s no reason to be stressed when playing an easy player. He scream to annoy the opponent and he scream 3 times every point
Doesn't matter the opponent's ranking.  They're all pros.  

Scream randomly?  That makes no sense.  When do players say cho, sa, allay, vamo, let's go, etc?  It's after they won a point to pump themselves up, release stress, etc.  Does he cho net's, edges, or opponent's missed serves?  If yes, then I agree, you guys have a case.  Those are unforced errors.  
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that's like saying someone that just uses some of the swear words and not all of them proves he does not swear
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or that the Donald is not a liar because some of the things he said is true
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Before the Grand-Final....(Women singles).

The two November ITTF tournaments had little impact on the position in the ITTF rating for December 2018.

 The first three positions are unchanged.,WANG Manyu and C.M. swap places (C.M. will be nr.5).,nr.6-9-unchanged.
CHEN Xingtong leaves the top 10 (No. 12).,nr.10 - F.T.
 Kim Song I. returns to the top-20 (nr.17).,On the contrary, KATO Miyu leaves the Top 20 ...In the third ten also SUN Yingsha and HASHIMOTO Honoka.
 HAYATA Hina, unfortunately, continues to fall in the ranking, it is in the fourth ten.(and in the rating list for January 2019 drops even lower ....).
HE Zhuojia - approximately in the fifth ten ...However, after the Grand Final, it will noticeably rise up regardless of the outcome of her performance in the Grand Final ...She has few records, and any result (a minimum of 1530) will go into a plus ...

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they didn't record most important match FAN Zhendong - LIANG Jingkun :(
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

that's like saying someone that just uses some of the swear words and not all of them proves he does not swear
I'm not sure which part you're referring to.  Are you saying that his claim that he only uses it to relax is invalid because he only cho's on points won? I think I covered that.  Or are you saying that the list of 3 unforced errors I mentioned is not complete.  Ok, there may be more, but those are the obvious ones I can think of.  I've read the claim that dumping the ball into the net is an unforced error, but I disagree.  Causing your opponent to misread the type or how much spin was on the ball, in my opinion, is not unforced.

In the videos I've watched of him, I have never seen him disrespect his opponent.  In this Austrian Open (getting back on topic), in the Harimoto vs. XX match you can hear Adam Brobow say "his cho's are never to the opponent's face":

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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

they didn't record most important match FAN Zhendong - LIANG Jingkun :(

Well, there's always Youtube Tongue . It a highlights video, but contains every single point:

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Chen Xingtong is playing okay, but when did Sun Yingsha become this weak, her backhand isn't much of a threat and her forehand is misfiring a lot, I'd always watched her interviews after many woeful performances this year and she's always been cool with it, like it's normal to lose to her elder teammates and she still has time to develop and there's no desire in her like before, she doesn't do the backhand flick yet she decided to start flicking on her receives and she missed all of them
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

they didn't record most important match FAN Zhendong - LIANG Jingkun :(
Well, there's always Youtube Tongue . It a highlights video, but contains every single point:
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Btw, China is very weak in doubles. (Strong only in singles.)
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

they didn't record most important match FAN Zhendong - LIANG Jingkun :(
Well, there's always Youtube Tongue . It a highlights video, but contains every single point:
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Thank you very much.
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Btw, China is very weak in doubles. (Strong only in singles.)
Well then how come they get the doubles title almost as much as singles at the majors?
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In the women's game China will really struggle in the future with Japan, only Wang Manyu use the backhand flick on her receive and is aggressive on her receive most of the time, the other girls just use short pushes and long pushes, And the Japanese have developed a lot of service variations that are not used by the Chinese national team that are incredibly difficult to keep it short, they just try to keep it on the table and the Japanese girls are now specialists in the 3rd ball attack.
Even the young girls in the Chinese national team that should be aggressive and be more with the trend with their receives( at least the backhand flick) don't do neither forehand or backhand flick, Xingtong doesn't flick, Yingsha doesn't flick, Yidi doesn't flick, the younger ones do not flick , then who in the world taught Wang Manyu how to flick and can't teach the others
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Wow. Great 1st game by LJK.  Very sharp and aggressive.  I hope he can sustain it.
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7th game.  This is a fantastic match! LJK is fighting for it!
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Congrats to LJK. But LJK was screaming exactly like Harimoto yet i bet nobody's gonna call him out for it.
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How can you not like this guy after watching this?  His first Pro Tour win ever.  So happy for him.  
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LJK seems to be a very friendly and sensitive guy, . I like it
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Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Congrats to LJK. But LJK was screaming exactly like Harimoto yet i bet nobody's gonna call him out for it.
Only in the last set, that meant so much to him, cut him some slack bro
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Grasshopper, yes I was referring to your examples of unforced error is way too short. And going by your logic then every error is a forced 1 since it was touched by HT except for the opponent's serves. If you want to go by that (false)logic then I have nothing to say. I have heard Adam's comments about HT not screaming while facing the opponent. That's like saying he is swearing but not facing the opponent equals not swearing.

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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Congrats to LJK. But LJK was screaming exactly like Harimoto yet i bet nobody's gonna call him out for it.
Only in the last set, that meant so much to him, cut him some slack bro
Well then people should also cut harimoto some slack. Harimoto screams because every match and every point means so much to him as well just like LJK. That actually means that Harimoto is an incredibly respectful player as every match to him no matter the player is of the same importance as the finals.


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Originally posted by pipboy76 pipboy76 wrote:

Congrats to LJK. But LJK was screaming exactly like Harimoto yet i bet nobody's gonna call him out for it.
does he scream at every match and point won like HT?

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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Grasshopper, yes I was referring to your examples of unforced error is way too short. And going by your logic then every error is a forced 1 since it was touched l by HT accept for the opponent's serves. If you want to go by that (false)logic then I have nothing to say. I have heard Adam's comments about HT not screaming while facing the opponent. That's like saying he is swearing but not facing the opponent equals not swearing.

Ok, no problem. Let's agree to disagree.
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