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NextLevel ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/15/2011 Location: Somewhere Good Status: Offline Points: 14600 |
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Many *legendary* players *never* reach the top 5 so I am happy you have such a high standard for Kanak - Mizutani for example has only hit the WR of 4 once and I think Harimoto is barely there. Freitas I think peaked at 7. Maze peaked at 8. Gauzy and Niwa have never been there. Karakasevic was never even in the top 20. Neither was Bojan Tokic, and people will never tell you that those aren't world class players. Lack of power on the forehand is one aspect of the game, there are many good players with relatively less powerful forehands, the one that comes to mind for me is Lin Gaoyuan and another is Koki Niwa. Quadri Aruna has a relatively crappy backhand, and he managed to get to the quarter finals of the Olympics with that backhand. Even imbalanced styles survive in table tennis, the issue is when we allow that to exclusively define our appreciation of a player rather than the results that show the story is much more interesting than that. Kanak's overall game lacks the kind of power that you would expect for top level table tennis but this was a criticism of CCY as well and CCY has had a great career and is Kanak's role model. Kanak has beaten and outperformed many of the European players with the more powerful forehands at this stage of his career. Yet you hear many people point out that this European player who Kanak has reliably outperformed has more potential than Kanak just because his forehand is more powerful than Kanak. Which means that Kanak must be doing a lot of other things that that player doesn't do but which don't get appreciated because... Kanak doesn't fit the description. And I think that is the issue people have with Kanak - he doesn't fit the description.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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BRS ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 05/08/2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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The only legit criticism of Kanak is that he has a WR advantage due to being NAican. But somehow I never hear peeps say Hugo benefits from the same advantage from SA.
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mykonos96 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/19/2018 Location: Southam Status: Offline Points: 1901 |
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Let him alone in his " theories" maybe you can find him in a some area 51 discussion forum
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jfolsen ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 03/15/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1251 |
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So XX plays men's doubles and China wins. XX doesn't play mixed doubles and China loses to Japan. Guess what XX will be doing in the Olympics, presuming they are held.
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pdotec ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 02/01/2009 Status: Offline Points: 292 |
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At 19 yrs old WCQ is the leading player to compete against TH Lin Truls 3-4 years from now when XX, ML, FZ are past their prime. He is the future of Chinese dominance.
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mykonos96 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/19/2018 Location: Southam Status: Offline Points: 1901 |
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FZ passes his prime based on what? He s 22
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idk ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/11/2011 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 789 |
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poor reading comprehension
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hleett ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 04/13/2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 476 |
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Notice HT didn't shake hands with CCY after losing the match?
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idk ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/11/2011 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 789 |
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Not sure what that has to do with the post you are quoting but nobody is shaking hands in this tournament because of COVID19.
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tom ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 11/18/2013 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 2977 |
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who is taking FZD over WCQ and CM over Ito or vice versa?
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Lightspin ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 07/11/2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 427 |
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I will take FZD over WCQ and XX over Pitchford with XX winning the title. I will also take CM over MI.
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chongqinghotpot ![]() Silver Member ![]() Joined: 11/21/2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 538 |
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I would bet my money on FZD and CM
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 725 |
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xx-pitchford sarting right now
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NextLevel ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/15/2011 Location: Somewhere Good Status: Offline Points: 14600 |
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if Xu Xin beats FZD, it will be the first time I will listen to the fans who want him to play Olympics aingles.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 725 |
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well...1-1 now v. pitchford. that point pitchford lost at 1-1 8-6 was crushing and could have led to 2-0 but the pitch hung in there, 1-1, all is possible.
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So many unforced errors from Pitchford, he wins the 3rd game, because xx had many too but xx has more experience to fix it so it dactually dow not look good for pitchford if he does not fix the missing of stuff he knows well.
a nice feature in that match: the short game is of a super high level on both sides.
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Pitchford is playing his real game in that 5th game. Trailing 7-8 he missed an easy one (for him) after a godly shot the point before. At 9-9 he went for it again but missed the difficult shot in extension along the line at 10-9, the one shot he could not miss. but he hung in there again!
3-2 Pitchford, A big upset is possible now. "gauzy did it, I can do it too." seems to be the fuel that drives the pitch.
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the pitch is not choking right from the start in the 6th gam, it's just he has to take BIG risks. He is lucky XX is VERY VERY nervous now, xx thinks of Gauzy and that might paralyse him. Pitchford has never been in a better position to close it.
It's now or never. 3-2 4-3
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 725 |
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to me, when the pitch does not choke and does not miss the easy stuff, he is top 5 in the world!
I can't believe it, he did it!!! NOTE: Pitchford's short game is out of this world, he never got dominated there and that was one of the big keys of his match.
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NextLevel ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/15/2011 Location: Somewhere Good Status: Offline Points: 14600 |
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Oh well, I guess that XX for singles party just got pooped. Great performance by Pitchford.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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jackwong23 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 08/14/2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1912 |
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pitchford is such an underrated player. Great performance.
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 725 |
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What a crushing career moment for xx. I am happy for Pitchford because I always liked his crazy confident bh wrist snap but to see one match destroying all hopes for XX singles Olympic run is very sad.
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jackwong23 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 08/14/2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1912 |
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There are a few guys out there who can beat xx for sure, Gauzi, Pitchford Harimoto, Hugo, Dima. Just to name a few.
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NextLevel ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/15/2011 Location: Somewhere Good Status: Offline Points: 14600 |
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Of all the people you listed the only ones that have actually beaten XX are Gauzy and Pitchford. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Pitchford and Gauzy do things on the forehand that those other players never do.
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jackwong23 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 08/14/2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1912 |
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True, but Hari was very very close to beating xx last time, had a few match points.
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fortunateluck ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 02/07/2005 Status: Offline Points: 390 |
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Wow!
As per Adam, Pitchford shows why he is in the small number of players in "I can beat the Chinese" group. Good performance for LP, but the Chinese coach looked like he was sleeping and unenthusiastic. The coach is supposed to motivate the player, but XX just never seemed like he was into it, meaning he douldn't bring his A-game. ...But, many times that is how one goes down.
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 725 |
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Everybody is afraid of XX's fh but it's amazing how Pitchford went there with no complex, meaning along the line and harder for his own fh, but unpredictable so the roi was higher, especially when XX was naturally positioned a bit towards his bh side; also more combos off the bounce worked than not. The short game was perfect and the game plan was of high quality. Bravo to team Pitchford.
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NextLevel ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/15/2011 Location: Somewhere Good Status: Offline Points: 14600 |
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Close but no cigar. But the name on that list that really offended me was Dima. Maybe if you hadn't posted him, I might have ignored you. But no XX is very hard to beat and even people that have actually beaten him once or twice may never do it again.
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NextLevel ![]() Forum Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/15/2011 Location: Somewhere Good Status: Offline Points: 14600 |
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All non-Asian and non-European players have it to some degree. But Hugo has beaten FZD and Boll and thus gets a pass. He also has power on both sides and his athleticism fits the description. Kanak still doesn't have a win (and for some a playing style) that clearly fits the description.
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stiltt ![]() Assistant Admin ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 725 |
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did anybody else notice there are no Stiga commercials before the ittv stream starts? on a Platinum event like the Qatar open, it's strange!
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