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Matt Pimple 
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So I have been playing with Dr. Neubauer Hercules for a while and recently started to work with a new coach (he is USATT 2400, me 1900). He told me that my technique on forehand loops is good but I should be getting more spin. He tried my blade with T05 and said it is because of my blade. Coach suggests to look into a BTY blade and this is where I am asking the community. Can anybody suggest a spinny BTY blade? Here is what I am looking for:
- generates good spin on loops with T05 - not a missile launcher; I am looking for something more like Off- to maybe Off - I like carbon (or other type of fiber) blades because they work well with my ABS anti - I like more of a softer touch I had a chance to play a TB ALC and Schlager Light and they both seemed to fast and hard for my taste. Thanks!
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change your coach!
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jt99sf
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How old is your rubber ?
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i don't care what blade you're using. If your stroke is good and you're using T05, you're going to be getting good spin.
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Matt Pimple
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First it was a 4 month old rubber and then I put a new one on as well. He told me the same thing: it's the blade!
I think he is actually a really good coach. So what makes you think that?
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If you must have a Butterfly blade, try these. They all have med speed, soft-med feeling, and great spin with T05:
TB ZLF Petr Korbel Liu Shiwen TB ZLF has a crispy outer ply feeling, while the other two have slightly larger head sizes, and hence will slingshot the ball a little more. |
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How can it be your blade? It is mostly your technique and the rubber that will determine the amount of spin achievable.
The only thing that really would hurt spin is if the ball bounces off the paddle before the rubber can snap back so not all the energy the ball put into stretching the rubber is returned. In other words the contact time is too short. I don't see how one can't get good spin using T05 from just about any blade with good technique. Blades don't flex tangentially to the ball. I just saw this
I agree. I doubt it is an equipment issue if you are using good quality blades and rubber. Edited by pnachtwey - 04/06/2015 at 3:15pm |
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Posted: 04/06/2015 at 3:17pm |
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One of the best players in my local league plays with T05 and BTY Maze T-Tec All+. Great control and dwell time, definitely not a rocker launcher, but his loops are plenty fast and are very hard to block/counter.  P.S.: Matt, it has Hinoki outer plies which is what you seem to like based on your past reviews on this forum :-) Edited by vvk1 - 04/06/2015 at 3:44pm |
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Is the coach a Butterfly dealer ?
 
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To be fair, if his 2400-level coach tried his Dr. Neubauer blade w/ T05, and recommended he get a new blade, we should take his word for it.
I can definitely get more or less spin depending on which blade I am using, regardless of the fact that I'm using Tenergy. Yes if you have perfect technique you should get good spin from any blade, but until you get perfect technique, there are blades out there that can help you get good spin easier than others.
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I think Innerforce ZLF and Innershield ZLF are candidates as well. Would recommend Korbel or Primorac OFF- but Matt wants a composite. And yes people, it is possible for a blade to affect the amount of spin you are getting from T05 at the level that his 2400 coach wants him to achieve. That doesn't make his 2400 coach right, but I found looping with balsa blades a bit more challenging even if they helped my blocking game.
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Posted: 04/06/2015 at 3:43pm |
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+1. BTY TB ZLF is very spiny. |
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Looping and blocking are two different functions. When looking for a blade, one has to compromise for the best fit. (Weight, playing style, rubbers...etc...)
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I have two words for you : Keyshot Light !!
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You can't go wrong with a Korbel classic wood blade. |
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I'm not 2400 but I can tell you that if you move from Dr. Neubeuer (any) to Butterfly carbon (any) you will be better off.
by the way, i know your coach. Doesn't he use a 20 yr old Joola blade?
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Matt Pimple
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Why do you think so? Have you tried Dr. N Hercules yet?
No you don't! I do not live in the Chicago area anymore as I moved to Phoenix a year ago (no more winters for me!  ).But you are correct that the coach at my former club does use a very hard and fast old Joola carbon blade. I believe it was some sort of a prototype at the time.
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Matt Pimple
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So how about Viscaria light then?
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How did your coach determine that your spin is inadequate? He's about 3 or 4 levels above you so he should find your loops weak. He can't expect you to have a 2400 level loop. How do people around your level find your loops?
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IMHO, a 2400 level coach is more than qualified to tell when a sub-2000 level player is not generating enough spin as would be expected at that (sub-2000) level. Second-guessing or belittling the advice of that coach is the last thing Matt needs from this forum.
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Viscaria Light has been discontinued recently, but maybe you can still find it. I would personally look for the classic blade with limba outer plys and not too thick. Among Butterfly: Korbel, Primorac or Maze Passion if you prefer composite (5w +2 Glass Fiber). Another option may be TB W5, which is basically TB ALC without Arylate Carbon, so you may consider it, too. |
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+1. also like the other person said, spin isn't really from the blade unless you're saying too fast that it mostly comes off as speed, which i take neubaeur isn't
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I can confirm that the blade have a BIG effect on loop spin.
I started with Yasaka sweden classic, which combined with Xiom Sigma 1, generated ridiculous spin. My full force loops that fell below the net would spin against the net, make the "ssssssssssssss" sound for a good 3 seconds. My current setup is Donic Waldner Senso Carbon on a Sigma 2. net loop no longer have the same effect :( |
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Matt Pimple
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To clarify, I would rate the Dr. Neubauer Hercules I have as Off-, it is quite stiff due to carbon layers and has a relatively soft touch due to fairly thick Kiso Hinoki outers.
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Posted: 04/06/2015 at 7:25pm |
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i can generate more spin with an off- blade than any off+
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As mentionned above, since you want a butterfly composite blade "slower than TBS" but still hard enough for T05 (feels "wrong" on soft and flexi blades) and your ABS (also feels wrong on soft and flexi blades) :
Timo Boll ZLF IF ZLF
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try innerforce ALC. it holds the ball longer good for spin.
your coach might be plays good at mid to away of table, that why he like more spin, what about you? you need depend on your stroke and style to get what should use. to me, I can get much different spin depending on which blade I am using. |
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Matt Pimple
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Thanks! I play close to the table and try to loop with my forehand (my stronger side) where my coach wants me to focus on spin and consistancy (I used to go for too much
). I mainly block and return serve with my anti on backhand. |
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Either the rubber is worn/not cleaned properly or the stroke needs to be adjusted. Any blade can produce excellent spin.
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Good candidate is Innershield. Should also be good combo with Anti on BH. Forget abot LSW, IF or TB zlf stuffs. They might be too fast.
Some People don't think blades have support in making spinning balls. If it is off-match a lot, spinning or power is suffered. I would agree with your coach that thick Balsa core and T05 have problem. I tried myself 3-4 combos. Horrible. If you want to stick with Dr.N, Barricade is good, thin balsa core. It kind of slow but if you have powerful FH, it is good with T05. Spinny and enough speed for sure. Try to borrow friends' medium speed blades are good way to start. At least to get the ground how fast you want to go bc you have to deal with anti BH. Otherwise the route might be expensive. Edited by aroonkl - 04/06/2015 at 10:00pm |
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