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Ritterbruder 
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I am having trouble with the backspin serve. I have been experimenting with just about all the parameters: varying the angle of my paddle, the direction my paddle moves, how much wrist/arm movement I use, the distance from the table, the height above the table I start, etc. It is really bugging me so could someone use a picture to illustrate how I could do it better?
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ppgear
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Posted: 12/14/2008 at 5:46pm |
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If you can post a video of yourself, it would be a lot easier for us to critique.
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Posted: 12/14/2008 at 6:01pm |
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http://www.coachmcafee.com/?p=317#more-317
The pics are gone, but the verbal description is very good. Hope it helps |
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GenomicsKnight
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Posted: 12/14/2008 at 7:08pm |
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This video might help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEhLzWUvSOA For the CPenholder, this one is not too bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unCoKMQ7H0o |
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Posted: 12/14/2008 at 7:58pm |
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remember that timing is very critical for a backspin serve. Hit the ball to late you get little or no spin. too early and the ball will skid across the top of the rubber.
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Posted: 12/14/2008 at 8:40pm |
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To late and you'll hit the edge of your paddle lol
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Posted: 12/14/2008 at 8:42pm |
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Sweet vid, GK! |
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Hmmm... I've seen this video before and I can't say I care a lot for it. If you search youtube, there are excellent videos of Timo Boll and Schlager server. Or you can get that new DVD of lots of professional players.
To get heavy back spin is going to vary depending on the tackiness of your top sheet and the nature of your sponge. For some rubbers, you want to slice it as thin as possible, while for others you actually get better results if you can dig into the sponge a little.
That video says to use your arm, not your body, but a lot of pros (Wang Liqin, for example) use strong body motion. I do think just about everyone will agree on maximum looseness.
Another point where traditional wisdom does not match reality is where to hit on the paddle. The only wisdom was to hit on the front edge for maximum spin and on the back edge for no spin. In fact, the pros can hit almost any part of the rubber and get the spin they want. I have an inside-out serve that produces heavy back spin. I aim to hit the front edge of the paddle, but I know (from looking at the ball marks from new balls) that I usually hit the back edge of the paddle. Still, I get great back spin.
I think most coaches will tell you two things, regardless of particular technique: first, try to feel the ball. Second, practice every day.
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The vid details the basics of getting heavy backspin with verbal explanations and physical demonstrations presented in a progressive fashion, one step then another. This is good and something you don't get watching pros serve. "I think most coaches will tell you two things, regardless of particular technique: first, try to feel the ball. Second, practice every day." Practice what? The man is asking a question and states he has tried everything he can think of without meeting with success. You suggest that he just continue to practice? Feel the ball? Feel the ball do what? The poster has asked for technical help, the vid gives demonstration of the same techniques outlined in the coachmcafee files also posted above. This is what most coaches who know what to coach would do. That the vid does not teach advanced details and variations based on equipment is not very important to someone who is seeking to learn the basic technique. |
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I didn't mean to offend you. I just am not a big fan of that video, while you apparently are. As for advice, I'll stick with my original point: practice. It's fine to tell someone to focus on one particular technique or another, but often they lose sight of the big picture. And part of my point is that the techniques for serves vary a lot -- much more so than for, say, looping. If you just keep trying to put back spin on the ball, and practice every day, then you'll develop your own techniques and observations.
While we're at it, I can also say that while a heavy backspin is useful, there are other aspects of your serve that are more important: keeping the ball low, being able to serve short or long (truly long, not just half-long), being able to place the ball. I know a surprising number of strong players who cannot consistently produce a decent backspin on their serves, but they have all the other aspects so well honed that their serves are still very effective.
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Posted: 12/14/2008 at 10:19pm |
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I am not a big fan of the vid, it shows the basic technique as described in the mcafee article. This is the correct method for learning backspin serves, which is what the poster has requested.
"As for advice, I'll stick with my original point: practice." Again, practice what? The poster requested information about what to practice. Details matter. He should continue to practice doing it incorrectly? What is the point of that? |
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I guess my point is that that vid shows one approach to back spin serves, not "THE" correction method. If you look aruond (or talk to different coaches) you'll find there are many methods of reaching a back spin serve and many methods of teaching it.
And, yes, I meant to say practice serves without talking about some particular technique. It's good to have some basic ideas, but if you give him a whole list of things he's supposed to be doing, then that will make it harder, not easier, to learn.
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