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Calcifer 
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 Topic: Best blade for my goal ?Posted: 05/29/2017 at 3:37pm |
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Hello to you all ¡¡ Im a 28 years old developing club player, and I need your advice on equipment please. My major problem is that I dont know how to loop consistently, its very hard for me to maintain control over them, the balls fly off the table in most cases, my actual coach told me that the problem was on my technique and my blade, because my technique is poor and my blade is too fast for my level, so my setup is limiting my technique to improve further and i think she is right. I have an Andro Treiber Z with Donic Blue Fire JP03 on the FH and a Tibhar MX-P on the BH. I want to switch now to a slower blade with Chinese rubbers, as i want to depurate my looping technique in general and slow down the game in some cases (Chinese rubbers are supposedly good for this) I have already bought a DHS Hurricane 3 NEO, and a Skyline TG03 neo, I will try them both on FH and BH and see what suits me better, but i have to buy the blade to put them on and i don't know what to choose. I read that the best combination for chinese rubbers are very flexible 5-ply wood blades and medium to hard materials, in this order of thoughts, I want to buy one of the following (ordered by my preference right now): 1. Nittaku Violin 2. OSP Virtuoso off- 3. Butterfly Primorac or Xiom Offensive S What blade do you suggest of these ones? or do you suggest another one? Thanks for your answer in advance Edited by Calcifer - 05/29/2017 at 7:01pm |
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h0n1g
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 3:42pm |
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All three blades you listed are great blades. The Violin is a classic and the OSP Virtuoso Off- has a cult following, as does the Primorac. If you are used to a Treiber Z, I might add the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon to the list as it is a composite blade as well which might feel more familiar to you.
I would go for the OSP Virtuoso Off- or the WSC, depending what feeling you like and if your game includes blocks etc. which will be easier with the WSC in my experience.
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Calcifer
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 3:50pm |
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Thanks h0n1g¡ Are you sure a composite is good for Chinese rubbers (on my level i mean)?, they are supposed to be stiffer blades and i think it would be too hard for me to generate good spin on the ball. The lack of feeling should be a problem too (Treiber z is a composite but the feeling is superb)
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 4:17pm |
I bet if you focus on your technique you won´t have to change anything, neither blade nor rubbers. Try to develop a proper stroke motion, with knees always bent and body weight transfer.
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Hozuki
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 4:50pm |
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I agree, medium flexible blade with harder outer plies works well with chinese rubbers.
I once had a Stiga OC with TG2 Neo on FH, which was good, but even better on the BH. However, the high flexibility of the blade made me overhit with FH sometimes. Flexible blade will also make the throw higher, and helps with power from far off the table, but can cause problems close to the table. Now correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I have observed the overall trend is that top players tend to use much stiffer (and faster) blades now than in the past due to the new plastic ball, and some choosing more elastic rubbers to pair with it. Just look at the CNT, they are almost all using composite blades now, which are certainly stiffer than the all wood stuff they used before, and even FZD's Infinity VPS is classified as 'almost stiff' despite being an all wood blade. And the newest DHS rubbers all have more elastic sponge, like H8 or Arc series. So I think you should just get an OFF- medium stiff blade with good feeling (Infinity VPS comes to mind, but it's quite light), and slap rubbers on them depending on your throw preferences for FH / BH. |
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 4:59pm |
The Waldner Senso Carbon is widely known as the most "wooden" composite blade around with the best feeling possible if you want the carbon "punch". I have not tried the Waldner with chinese rubbers so I can't comment on that.
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arg0
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 6:05pm |
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Hmm, don't know about your option 3, but Violin and Virtuoso play quite differently.
Virtuoso is more similar to Acoustic than Violin. It is also faster than Violin. Maybe a blade with a large sweet spot would not be a bad idea if your strokes are not very consistent. So h0n1g's advice makes sense. I never played with the WSC myself, though, so I cannot say whether it plays well with your rubbers. |
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Calcifer
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 6:59pm |
Well, I think you are not wrong, the overall trend in top chinese players is to move to composite blades.... but our needs are very different, they are so pro that they don need to feel the ball, also with their perfect technique, they can generate a lot of spin, even with stiffer blades. Damn they will just spin the ball with the blade without rubbers LOLLOL . I'm a just a beginner, all I need is to feel the ball, be able to generate spin and adjust my technique. Thanks for your recommendation, I will look into that blade as well, the blades that i listed are all medium stiff blades except for the Violin, and they are all off- blades Edited by Calcifer - 05/29/2017 at 7:04pm |
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 7:16pm |
Well, you might be right, but I still feel like getting something that allows me to do that with more control and confidence, that said, I will train to develop a proper stroke as you say, thanks
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 7:46pm |
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Well lets put this in perspective so you guys can help me decide pls. This data is taken from ttdb Speed(max to min): Acoustic = Stiga Inf VPS > WSC > Violin > Xiom Offensive S > OSP V OFF- > Primorac Stiffness (min to max): Violin > OSP V OFF- > Primorac > Xiom Off S > Stiga Inf VPS > Acoustic > WSC Hardness(max to min): Stiga Inf VPS > WSC > Acoustic > Xiom Off S > Violin > Primorac > OSP V OFF- Damn this is a hard choise, I dont care that much about the speed, I care about the best match to the chinese rubbers and my level, so Stiffness, Hardness, Feeling, control and sweet spot are far more important. I'm a confused right now
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Hozuki
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 8:10pm |
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One advice, the farther away you like to play from the table, the more flexible the blade should be.
One of my training partners plays with Infinity VPS and H3N and has improved very well despite not training a lot while hardly getting any coaching. Also it's what FZD plays and most Chinese players play Stiga blades anyway, so what can go wrong? It's light, so you can pair it even with heavyweigths like H8, and light on your wallet as well. Best choice if you like to play aggressive close to the table while also developing technique. |
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 8:21pm |
Make it simple or welcome to the EJ world where it's never perfect. Based on what you've been telling us here, I'd say you can't go wrong with the Waldner Senso Carbon, the Virtuoso Off- or the Violin. Again, based on your current blade, the WSC i think will take the smallest amount of adjustment, followed by the Violin and then the Virtuoso Off-. Given their prices, it's hard to beat the WSC ($55 vs. $170/$110). Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 8:22pm |
FZD does not play the Infinity VPS. He uses the handles but he plays a Butterfly Viscaria. Just FYI. Also, besides Xu Xin, I cant think of a single top Chinese player that actually plays Stiga?
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Posted: 05/29/2017 at 9:03pm |
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Everyone, thanks a lot¡
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Posted: 05/30/2017 at 4:02am |
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get cheap galaxy blade, w6 is great for brush looping, better than primorac off-.
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Posted: 05/30/2017 at 5:19am |
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keep andro treiber z , change rubbers r37 bh and fh , practice, practice
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