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Uskglass 
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 Topic: Best DHS Rubber Combo?Posted: 08/12/2015 at 2:50pm |
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I liked some of the DHS rubbers I've tried in the past but want to try some more. I just got a Yinhe E3 in the mail which is very light, flexy, and a bit soft and so seems a perfect setup for the slightly hard, heavy DHS rubbers. I want to buy some and try it out with this setup. I mostly like to loop on both sides but especially like a nice fast BH loop or flick on a 3rd ball and also like to push/chop from both sides to setup shots. I'm doing very little blocking or hitting.
I was thinking of choosing TG3 Neo for the FH and either TG2 Neo or Tinarc 3 for the backhand on this setup. In short, what is your favorite all-DHS combo for FH/BH?
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Yinhe Earth.3 - DHS TG3 Neo/729 Aurora
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asifgunz
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Posted: 08/12/2015 at 3:27pm |
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Im currently using a tg3 neo. I can't miss a single forehand flick with it. It has to be the #1 rubber in my opinion for forehand flicks.
However, the second I step 4/5 ft off table, I really have to commit to a stroke, otherwise it will go into net. Thinking of upgrading to moon pro for fh. tg3 is also crazy on bh. So easy to chop with. Heavy topspin, or just topspin drives, it will chop anything. I don't chop in games. Just to mess around. It's pretty good on driving game as well. I just can't smash with it on either wing. I have to either drive a high ball with slight topspin or twiddle to my omega v to finish the point. I know you asked for a combo, but I figured you can benefit a bit from my 2 cents. |
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Hautamaeki
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Posted: 08/12/2015 at 4:33pm |
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Tg3 Neo or Hurricane 3 neo FH
Skyline 3-60 BH
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Posted: 08/12/2015 at 5:00pm |
I've heard Skyline 3-60 is a bit mushy on softer blades, there were several comments about how a faster or harder blade might bring out the best in this one. Can you comment on that? I've liked that sponge when I tried it on the Tinarc3 so that with a TG3 topsheet does sound great but this was on a harder composite blade so not sure what the effect would be.
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Yinhe Earth.3 - DHS TG3 Neo/729 Aurora
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Hautamaeki
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Posted: 08/12/2015 at 5:15pm |
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I use it on Infinity VPS, I dont really know if it is soft or hard, it's very very good, good speed, easy to top spin agains chop or drive, very good spin, easy short game, this was the most important, some times you misread a no spin serve and you chop the ball to make it short, with, for example acuda, the ball will pop up, with 3-60 it stays low. I was experimenting before with acuda sponge and yinhe moon speed sponges with dhs hurricane topsheet, the result was amazing and I was very impressed, then I saw this 3-60 on an online shop, and tried it because it claimed the properties I was experimenting, and...well...I got it, and dont want other Bh rubber.
I put it on Andro kinetic record OFF+ for one of my players, and it feels good too, it's a great rubber, try it, you will like.
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asifgunz
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Posted: 08/12/2015 at 6:27pm |
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heck, I might have to get the 3-60 on my fh. How is it's level of tack compared to tg3 neo? durability issues? does it come factory tuned?
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 4:57am |
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H8 - FH and TG3-60 BH
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 4:59am |
TG3-60 is great for BH but I just couldn't get over how low the throw was for me. So (on a fast blade)... FH - H8 BH - H3-50 (I'd love to try H3-60 though)
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Hautamaeki
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 5:05am |
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I have it for , half a year now, and my student too, the student plays 3 hours a day, and the rubber is still very good (she uses it on FH), if you clean the rubber in the end of the session, the tack will remain, mine still can pick the ball.
Regarding durability, I think it is way better than a bluefire or acuda, till now it plays as good as the first day, it looks a bit worn, but plays the same. I remember other of my new students have 2 3-60(mid hard Fh and BH) on a DHS ma long blade, one 30 euro blade, they are very good for FH, mine is soft version. No factory tune, doesnt need, i put a little booster on mine, and it adds more sound a lot, and a little more speed, spin is as good as not boosted, you dont need more spin. So, I like 3-60 soft on BH more than mid-hard, mid-hard is exelent for FH, dont need to tune, but you can still do it. It's little bouncy in short game, serve receives, if you put a little more wrist or power the ball goes very fast. In comparison, I would compare it with lets say, Baracuda, with tack, and better short game. I could try during this years of coaching, a lot of rubbers, since some of my players are sponsored. Tryed: baracuda, acudas (s1, s1 turbo, bluefire, jp's, M's) tibhar (MXP, ELP, GripS's, Aurus, genius), Joola (maxxx450, 500, rhyzm),Butterfly(tenergy 05, 64) yinhe (moon speed, big dipper; Apollo 3) DHS (Hurricane 3, tg3 neo, 3-60, G888),and a lot more rubbers. My 3 best FH rubbers (GripS-using now ; Big Dipper; Apollo 3) My 3 best Bh Rubbers ( DHS 3-60-using now; Maxxx450; Aurus) In the end, it comes to what you want for you, 3-60 is easy to play, has good speed, very good spin, can serve as a chinese rubber, and block like a european rubber. PS: I have read Andy Smith post, regarding low Throw, I dont have that experience with 3-60, I can open easier with Bh loop with 3-60 than with other non tacky european rubber. Edited by Hautamaeki - 08/13/2015 at 5:14am |
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 7:01am |
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For new generation DHS rubbers for 40+ balls, I like Tin Arc 5 the most. It suits both FH and BH. For classic DHS, TG2 Neo it is.
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asifgunz
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 12:07pm |
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Hautamaki thank you very much!
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 12:14pm |
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The best dhs rubbers are the fake national team ones that are really made by palio.
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asifgunz
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 12:42pm |
wait what 0_0 |
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 1:09pm |
He has cred: given that he owns a TT-store, has tried lots of chinese rubbers and actually sources them from China in bulk.
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I know stuff that I can't EVEN tell you. But I talked to another well known buyer who got in samples from another maker (not palio, but I've always thought the fake dhs tops to be very palio-esque). This person told me he was approached by a company trying to get him to carry their rubber. He asked them for samples of the best rubber they can make. The samples were all either h3 or tenergy tops. The company was NOT dhs or butterfly.
I also remember that 729 has a legit dhs mold left over from when wangnan switched to dhs. She never could get used to h3, so dhs sent 729 a mold where they basically made the SP topsheet with the h3 printing. I got all wangnan's old stock of sp on dhs sponge with real writings, and a bunch of other REAL national team stuff. Real national team stuff isn't really good for normal players. It's very hard and made for LOTS of glue to be used. If I gave it to you, you would probably hate it. Likely the tuner era stuff is a little softer. Anyway, from time to time when dhs couldn't keep up with h3 demand, they had 729 make tops for them. And they were very good. That's not to say dhs doesn't have a huge variation in quality. With dhs, they will make the quality you are willing to pay for. If they have a batch that isn't as good, they sell it to cost cutting vendors to move out on the cheap.
I certainly wouldn't put it past Dawei either. Not by any means. You can believe me or not, but the only way you're getting real national team stuff is if someone from the national team hands it to you. What a wet blanket I am. Edited by cole_ely - 08/13/2015 at 2:57pm |
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that's crazy man. I would never buy a nat-h3 variant because of the same thing you have stated.
but the rest, makes me cringe in awe considering the price I have seen around the internet. oh, one more thing, Whats the hardness deg on your battle 2 stock ? |
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 3:27pm |
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I get it from zeropong. Does 47 sound right? Obviously a different scale.
The crazy thing about the dhs knockoffs is that they ARE better than dhs. That's why they still sell. I have publicly never been a big dhs guy, so it's natural I would like someone else's knockoffs better. That's the reason they sent him their knockoffs. That truly does represent that company's best effort. Their dhs copies are better than any of their own rubbers.
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Thats crazy. I guess this is why tin arc and gold arc series never truly caught on. They had to compete with fake dhs products haha
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 4:16pm |
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Uau....thats cool to know, in fact I have 2 DHS Hurricane 3 blue sponge fakes here to try, but since they are fake I never had that, will, to test , because I dont expect much of them...but now...well I might try them.
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 7:29pm |
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Those looks like bad fakes....is the sheet all scratched up looking like a $10 rubber?
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 7:30pm |
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They do a nice job with the texture on the sponge though...not the stamping.
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Posted: 08/13/2015 at 9:16pm |
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So are there fake "fakes" of the H3 National?
If my memory serves me right, I read some time ago that a "legit" (but not the ones obtained from national players themselves) H3 Nat should come with cut corners, is that correct? |
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Posted: 08/14/2015 at 3:46am |
The top-sheet looks very smooth, it is a very cheap rubber, but the looks is quite good, i would say looks like a normal dhs rubber.
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Has anyone ever asked dhs for an official listing of their products? Does their catalog list provincial or national rubber? Funny how they don't have it available for zeropong...
So how would you know what is "legit?" |
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Good question. I am really confused myself. Legit or not, does the performance merit its increase in price? |
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Posted: 08/14/2015 at 12:12pm |
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I'd say that varies by batch and supplier. If people on here say a certain batch from a certain supplier is good, then it probably is.
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Cole sorry to say you are wrong,
The true national team rubber has 2 cut corners with slight inward bevel, a numerical stamp that is the current zodiac sign divided by 3.14159 in addition it has a full holographic stamp of a my little pony in the lower left corner. In all seriousness pro players get a stack of rubbers and they pick a handful, the rejects they give/sell to friends or the coaches off load, this is a small number of rubbers and with 1 billion TT players in China the chances of one of these hitting the internet is darn near ZERO. I have never seen a legit national team rubber that was not handed off directly from a coach or player. Edited by zeropong - 08/14/2015 at 12:52pm |
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So just to be sure, DHS has never offered to sell you national or provincial rubbers? I have never dealt with dhs directly since you always did. If you went to dhs and told them you wanted to carry their national and or provincial items, would they have it for you?
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It is not on my DHS 2015 price sheet. I have asked in the past my old rep now retired I think his name was Zhenan Ni ? .. anyhow he said no way/ no how back then, I have not bothered asking since partly because if you did get DHS to sell them to you they would be costly and you would be competing vs the fake ones pouring into the market from HK and China. In addition each player has different rubbers so one players national team version is another players trash.
So the short answer is I cannot get them from DHS. |
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DHS H3 National blue sponge forehand and DHS H3 Tin Arc sponge backhand ....
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