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    Posted: 09/19/2020 at 11:29am
I am being told that Chinese have the best women players of all time. I did not know this , but one of my Romanian friends told me there was a player called Rozeanu , who can have Deng Yaping, Ding Ning etc for breakfast (and lunch & dinner).

I googled and saw she won many world titles & also heard she would have won more titles but for the World War 2.  Is this true ?  

Are there any videos of her ?  I know there were no videos then but I have seen old black & white videos  
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Uh huh.  Odd that someone would post a "question" like ths while still knowing who Ding Ning and Deng Yaping are.

Edited by Baal - 09/19/2020 at 12:00pm
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Uh huh.  Odd that someone would post a "question" like ths while still knowing who Ding Ning and Deng Yaping are.


I have had the rare opportunity to own A.Rozeany's paddle several years ago.
I could say that was pretty fast blade. If Angelica meets in her prime these 2 chinese girls,
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Ruth Aaron? Went to the World's twice, won twice. Decided to stop because what was there left to accomplish?
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Consider this, Victor Barna won a lot of titles in his time but is he as good as players now??
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Consider this, Victor Barna won a lot of titles in his time but is he as good as players now??

That question makes an assumption that in my view is invalid.  It assumes comparability.

You cannot compare incomparables.  Victor Barna, Richard Bergmann, Marty Reiss etc. did not play the same game, I would say.  Which makes the comparison moot; after all. Is Tiger Woods as good as Jörgen Persson?
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

The dinosaur worshippers are back!

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Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Consider this, Victor Barna won a lot of titles in his time but is he as good as players now??

That question makes an assumption that in my view is invalid.  It assumes comparability.

You cannot compare incomparables.  Victor Barna, Richard Bergmann, Marty Reiss etc. did not play the same game, I would say.  Which makes the comparison moot; after all. Is Tiger Woods as good as Jörgen Persson?

Lol, why compare a golfer to a tt player? At least when making an arguement, start with a valid premise! 
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Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Consider this, Victor Barna won a lot of titles in his time but is he as good as players now??

That question makes an assumption that in my view is invalid.  It assumes comparability.

You cannot compare incomparables.  Victor Barna, Richard Bergmann, Marty Reiss etc. did not play the same game, I would say.  Which makes the comparison moot; after all. Is Tiger Woods as good as Jörgen Persson?

By the way, your legends will get owned by Waldner, JSH and other modern players using hardbat if given time to prepare. 
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The thread title asked for the best player, not the greatest player.
For best player in any sport thinks of:

Standing on the shoulders of giants.
Standing on the shoulders of giants is a metaphor which means "Using the understanding gained by major thinkers who have gone before in order to make intellectual progress". It is a metaphor of dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants and expresses the meaning of "discovering truth by building on previous discoveries".Wikipedia

In other words the players are the standard they are because of the players that went before. Thus the best player of all time should be a member of the last couple of generations, if not, then the sport has stagnated.

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Agree with Tinykin on this. Deng Yaping wouldn't be top 3 on the Chinese women's team today, even in her prime. She had specific trouble with 2 winged loopers, who were few and far between in her day but plentiful now (think He Zhili). Her flat forehand drive as her bread and butter shot isn't going to cut it in 2020. Time marches on, progress happens.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Consider this, Victor Barna won a lot of titles in his time but is he as good as players now??

That question makes an assumption that in my view is invalid.  It assumes comparability.

You cannot compare incomparables.  Victor Barna, Richard Bergmann, Marty Reiss etc. did not play the same game, I would say.  Which makes the comparison moot; after all. Is Tiger Woods as good as Jörgen Persson?

Lol, why compare a golfer to a tt player? At least when making an arguement, start with a valid premise! 

That is exaclty my point.  Barna did not play the same sport as (say) ZJK.  Which makes them incomparable, pretty much like Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Nikki Lauda are.
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The dinosaur worshippers are back!

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The correct answer is Zhang Yining.
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Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Originally posted by YoAss YoAss wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Consider this, Victor Barna won a lot of titles in his time but is he as good as players now??

That question makes an assumption that in my view is invalid.  It assumes comparability.

You cannot compare incomparables.  Victor Barna, Richard Bergmann, Marty Reiss etc. did not play the same game, I would say.  Which makes the comparison moot; after all. Is Tiger Woods as good as Jörgen Persson?

Lol, why compare a golfer to a tt player? At least when making an arguement, start with a valid premise! 

That is exaclty my point.  Barna did not play the same sport as (say) ZJK.  Which makes them incomparable, pretty much like Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Nikki Lauda are.

Again, your point is the one that is invalid. Waldner and JSH can pick up a hardbat and own the legends you mentioned. We are talking about the same sport only in different eras. If you are gonna argue about using sandpaper bats, fo ad watch world championship of pingpong and you will see good players there that can still kick your legends' arses. You failed to take into account that in those times tt is still in its infancy and was as not as developed as compared to today. Even some of the techniques before that they were using are noobish compared to the standards of today. Yes they are good defenders, blockers, choppers, etc but let them play against waldner and they will get owned. I am not even gonna talk about physical fitness, body mechanics and athletic ability because they will just steamroll on your points of arguement. 


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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

The correct answer is Zhang Yining.
I remember she could have kept competing but chose to marry a rich guy instead. She could have grabbed  some more major titles but frankly, Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen would have shared dominance with her if not just snatched it.

Tinykin and his "stand on the shoulder of the great" analogy nails it here. Hopefully the goat is always the latest dominant player or the game is going down, a bit like an empire must either expand or self destruct into oblivion a.k.a lack of interest. Thanks as always, tinykin, good call again!!!!

I can't help mentioning tennis and McEnroe here: they made the courts slower after McEnroe introduced the dominant service/volley game that Becker and Edberg would apply so well too and when the ball bounced less, the baseline lumberjack style dominated again for longer rallies and more spectacle (hmmm...it reminds me something related to our balls); a strategy based on service/volley could not survive. So really McEnrow is the goat until they changed the rules.

Change of rules = change of sport. If it's true for 2 players a very few years apart it's got to be true for 2 players 5 or more decades apart too.


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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

The correct answer is Zhang Yining.

The irrepressible Ian Marshal wrote an essay soon after Zhang's retirement arguing she should be selected as top women athlete in all sport for the decade.

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