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roulage
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Posted: 01/20/2014 at 11:04am |
Imagine that you train for 3 years 10-11 old kid, playing 2x a week, about 4-5 hours, some competitions and tournaments during weekends, it is young developing player in mini mini cadets category. What class of blade would you recommend and you can also recommend a concrete type of blade. Many thanks
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Photino+Andro Plaxon
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Baal
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AcudaDave
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start out with a good All+ or Off- blade. Some players think you might as well go ahead and start out with Off to Off+ blades, but for my students I would have them start out with All+ or Off- blades. There is no perfect blade because handles sizes, vibration, etc. are all different. Stiga makes several blades such as Tube Light, Energy Wood, Offensive Classic, etc. that are all fine to start out with. The best part is that they have 2 handle sizes and they are light and pretty inexpensive ($35 - $50).
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n8stee
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I started with a Stiga premade. But my bother started out with a HRT Rosewood V with Reactor thunder and stiga S4 rubber when he was six. So I guess just depends on the type of kid. Any 4 to 5 star bat from Stiga would be a great first bat.
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I'm Nate
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tabletennis11
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Agree as above ALL or OFF- speed is sufficient for developing players around that age. Something like Donic Epox Powerallround would probably be good for them. Yasaka Extra and Tibhar Texo ALL are also both well balanced blades for developing younger players.
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mikepong
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korbel is a good blade to begin with, well at least for me, just want to share something from a national player in our country who trained once in china, we asked him what they usually use there, he has seen many 10 yo kids there who were using clipper, actually he says most of them there use clipper as a beginner blade
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Viscaria
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cole_ely
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For me, Korbel is too fast. And not cheap either, nor light. But if you're talking about top level training, it's probably a different story. I sure those kids were pretty good at 9. And mostly drilling.
I would think something like donic applegren and flextra. |
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berkeleydoctor
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get a good carbon blade and force them to make controlled shots during practice. i went to a camp in china and all the kids had carbon blades and i was like $%@$#??????? but i asked the coach, and apparently it's a trend to make them use carbon blade to teach them to control fast blades.
i personally started with all wood, but i did think the transition to carbon was hard, but now that i've been using carbon, it's great.
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bluebucket
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Most kids are starting coaching at 6, 7 or 8 with the same ALL+ blades they will use the rest of their junior years. Donic applegren allplay is fine
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Imago
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Almost all Euro Korbels are under 80 g. It is the size that is probably bigger for a kid. Try some children racket - most of the Joola, TSP, Andro and now Donic blades are shaped for children with their tiny 153x148 heads. Seems that they hire one and the same idiot designer.
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Re1Mu2R3
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I played with a kid who had just started playing using Amultart with 2 Tenergies.
0 Skills. A shame a blade that good went to that kid. |
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Yep, I saw that same trend too in China, not the same place Berkeley doc went. The places I have been, kids are not always using carbon blades (I saw a few), but reasonably fast all-wood blades. I saw lots of really little kids with Stiga Clippers, Optimum Plus and Offensive Classic (which actually isn't that fast). These were kids that were going to be good at some point, but they were pretty young (but already had basic strokes well in hand). Stiga seemed to be a much more popular brand than Butterfly most places I went, but I think some of that has to do with price. I honestly don't think that a Korbel or something along those lines is "too fast" for a kid that is going to be playing regularly in an effort to become a solid tournament player. Having said that, Appelgren Allplay, which somebody mentioned, while not a fast blade, is a great blade and would work too. There are lots of others. Maybe it doesn't matter so much what you get, just get a good blade. Rubber may be more important. Don't get tenergy. Get something reasonably good and durable, like classic Mark V or even something like Donic Vario. |
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frogger
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The more I think about this subject the more I realize that kids usually adapt to just about anything quickly. I have always recommended ALL or ALL+ blades for the kids but they surprise me. I recently played a 15 year old who was using BTY MJ with T05 and T64. He beat me badly like a whimpering dog. He had a great coach and his style of double wing looping from mid and away killed my strong loop/counter game close to table. They are quick learners and adjust well to just about anything. He was an exception of course and still believe something slower would benefit most kids.
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Kolev
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Latika light comes in mind when someone asks me what blade to recommend for a kid. Compact head, small handle,reasonable speed and spin. BTW I have one for sale, almost like a brand new
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cheondo
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In Korea, all the beginners start with OFF + blades and tensor rubbers too. I don't know why, but that's the way they do it.
I've seen many developing players here, like future pros, playing with Korbel. Korbel is like a staple. A coach I know who's like 2500 + is using Korbel. Played with a 10 yr old pro this weekend, who's parents were both former pros, and he's using Boll ALC with Tenergies. IOW, anything will be fine, and perhaps this American idea of all beginners using ALL + paddles is not necessary or even correct.
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ejmeser
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My student who currently is 15 years old started playing with old Grubba (Japanese version), when he was 11. After around two years I decided to get him an old Primorac and he enjoys the blade till today. All what we do is just modify thickness of his rubbers to match his game style and technique. There is no need for switch as of right now but I think that the third step would be either Korbel / old arylate off- blade, or one of the off carbon blades.*
*Yes, I like butterfly equipment. |
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stiltt
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Jkc had his son starting with a fast blade and the thinking was the kid did not have enough power to drive and control the ball so he needed a faster blade to borrow speed. The least we can say is it turned out pretty good a choice. I will later edit this post with the exact post where jkc explains the decision.
edit: that's it: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28515&PID=341392&title=fred-after-2-years-of-play#341392 the T-2 has the same composition than the Primorac Carbon and it can be light, sometimes way under 80 grams. |
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bluebucket
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Jkc's son has played with a Stiga allround classic for years.... He gets the speed from Calibra. Still overall a fast setup but its refined now. I bet he wouldn't use T2 in a fit amnymore
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DDreamer
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The argument is sometimes forwarded that juniors should use fast carbon blades because that is what they will use if or when they become strong players. However so many strong players simply dont use fast carbons. I have heard numerous stories of mega-strong non-sponsored chinese players using wood ALL+\off- blades. In our top grade (2300-2500ish) less than a third use carbons. In fact the 3 most powerful loopers use 5 ply wood in the all+\off- range.
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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stiltt
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I just wanted to underline with an example we all know about what people said above about fast paddles for very young kids starting to play. |
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Baal
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It is a mixed bag. In our club three of the four players in 2400-2600 range use composite blades, and one uses an OFF- allwood Old Stiga. |
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mhnh007
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As long as they have proper training with Coach, then they can start with anything. Most of the kid I know start out with IF\TB ULC or ALC and T05\T64, train about 2-3 times per week with Coach, and after 1 1/2 or so years, they start to beat out most of the adults in the club LOL.
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DDreamer
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I agree and that's my point. |
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I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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king_pong
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Great custom blade, and just $35 --
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Stiga Infinity VPS (Master): fh/bh - Nittaku Hammond CR max
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Rolli
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Hello!
In my club (and especially for my son) we made very good experience for beginners (6-10years, 2 weekly training-sessions of 1,5 hours) with the combination of the blade Lion Phung Mag 1 (~ 20$, very lightweight, ~72gr) and the good Friendship 729 Geospin rubbers (1.8mm / ~8$ each). As they develope and advance in higher ranks they choose their own blades by trial. Mostly they end up by Donic Dotecs or Yasaka Ma Lin combined with Tenergy or equivalent rubbers. HTH Rolli |
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tabletennisx32
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Hi,
I have had a lot of experience with developing table tennis children. From my unusual perspective, I would just let the kid decide so they can learn from their own mistakes and enable table tennis as one of their passions. If not, just get their favorite color. |
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