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    Posted: 08/17/2012 at 10:37am
After totally loosing control of my game for the past several months.....I have gone the Miao Miao route! 

I glued up my Y-Extra with 802-40 1.8mm both sides and played a night at the club the other week.....wow it worked pretty darn good and opened my eyes to different parts of the game for me.  Being that my play style is allround, this setup worked good as the 802-40 can create some spin. 

The biggest obstacle for me so far is the 20+ gram weight difference from using double inverted tensors. Now after playing a few times with this setup, I have a few extra sheets of the same to put on 2 other blades that are faster.  My Y-Extra SC and Yinhe V1.  It will be interesting to see how the play differs with each speed of blade. 

Just wondering how many others play with 2 side short pips?   


Edited by Rich215 - 08/17/2012 at 10:48am
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I used to practice with a German girl several years ago that played with an Offensive Bty blade, with 2 sheets of speed-glued SPs.  She was about 2350.  It was so hard playing against her, or even practicing with her.  I couldn't loop more than 3 or 4 in a row most of the time cause I would eventually hit one in the net. 
My daughter plays with SP on her FH and inverted on her BH, but I was thinking of having her try SP on both sides.  It's actually not a bad idea just to try once in a while.
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With inverted rubbers you can have more offensive options than with SP rubbers, depending on your level. At high level a SP player will never have advantage over a player using inverted.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

With inverted rubbers you can have more offensive options than with SP rubbers, depending on your level. At high level a SP player will never have advantage over a player using inverted.


You do realize Johnny Huang, a shakehand player with short pips both sides, beat THE Jan Ove Waldner right?

On a side note, I thought Miao Miao uses medium pips on her backhand and short pips on her forehand.
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I was there at the 96 Olympics watching Johnny Huang play the mighty JO...and let me tell you...it was a smackdown for JH.  JH was actually ranked in Top 15 at one time...so it can be done.  Liu Guoliang played with SPs and won Gold at the 96 Olympics...so ba to SP player never having advantage over inverted player.  Away from the table that is true, but if they play close to the table SP players can compete at the highest level. 
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My buddy is a little over US1400 SP both sides, had played recreationally with inverted but likes the pushing and pick hitting game a bit more
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Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:


On a side note, I thought Miao Miao uses medium pips on her backhand and short pips on her forehand.


Oh...thats right...your correct....she does use MP on one side. 

Icontek.....that is sort of where my game is going as well...push push....drive/semi loop......pick hit!
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

I was there at the 96 Olympics watching Johnny Huang play the mighty JO...and let me tell you...it was a smackdown for JH.  JH was actually ranked in Top 15 at one time...so it can be done.  Liu Guoliang played with SPs and won Gold at the 96 Olympics...so ba to SP player never having advantage over inverted player.  Away from the table that is true, but if they play close to the table SP players can compete at the highest level. 

there was a romanian girl that finish 3rd in 1993 wttc playing with short pips both sides
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I still think having SP on one side and inverted on the other provides a lot more variation  and it makes opponents have a tougher time getting used to speed spin and trajectory.  It's an especially viable style for women.  Johnny Huang was a very unique player, and he played a style with no margin for error (and Johnny Huang could lose badly when things weren't clicking).  It's just one guy's opinion, but I'm not sure it would make a lot of sense to coach someone to play that way these days. 

The Romanian woman from 1993 was Otilia Badescu.  She was also European champion.
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Sharad Pandit plays with SP on both sides.  I think this game sums up the difference in styles between 2xSP and 2xInverted.  Notice the Pandit must stay at the table and hits the ball relatively quickly off the bounce.  Yan "waits for it" and will let the ball drop far below table level before looping the ball back.  It is a close match.  Yan hit way too many loops long trying to get too much speed without enough spin.   Pandit was trying to kill  Yan's high loops but missed too many and I think that was the difference in the match.  Pandit's 'kill' percentage was low.  You have to be quick to hit fast loops right off the bounce and it is risky because with SP one can't depend as much on the ball dropping.  The offsetting advantage is that one can hit at more extreme angles when hitting the ball closer to the net and the opponent doesn't have as much time to react.  I don't think Pandit took advantage of placement but then he was missing edges a lot so it is hard to tell.
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Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:


On a side note, I thought Miao Miao uses medium pips on her backhand and short pips on her forehand.


Oh...thats right...your correct....she does use MP on one side. 

Icontek.....that is sort of where my game is going as well...push push....drive/semi loop......pick hit!


"Medium" is a meaningless designation. Pips are either short or long. Some short pips are just longer than others :)
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