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Brian Pace vs. Fang Bo |
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LOOPMEISTER
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LGL_fan
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I'm sure Fang Bo can play better than this? Doesn't seem like the same Fang Bo that I see on youtube. He seems disinterested and makes many careless mistakes. I know some USATT 1800 players that could probably give him a run for his money.
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R u kidding LGL? A disinterested Fang Bo still beat a 2400+ Brian Pace. Imagine if he was interested and played all out.
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damn look at that corkscrew backhand flip at 4:21 how the hell you attack that lol
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chronos
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Interesting match, it seems like Fang Bo really forces Brian to decide between decisive play, and early play - there isn't a major ingredient of deception to any of these balls, just heavy spin and not much time to react? Brian plays very early timing on a lot of points (especially serve return, how many underspin balls did he net), but isn't decisive enough, and also makes mistakes when he waits too long to return. There are other ways to punish less decisive returns, but the game doesn't reach that stage. The constant timing disruption means Fang also never gets into a rhythm - when Brian plays the right timing he wins the point - but it secures an easy win. Both players are far beyond my level but I think these factors apply at all levels whenever there's an overall imbalance, Brian played quite well under the circumstances.
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Sorry, but anyone who can toy with Brian Pace that way would likely crush the greatest US1800 player of all time with scores like 11-1, 11-2-, 11-0. I've never seen Brian so uncomfortable and rattled, but lack the understanding of that level game to point out exactly why Fang Bo's returns gave him so much trouble. |
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Interesting how a well placed and spiny serve can dictated the pace of the game
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beat me to it, icontec. That was kind of humiliating to Brian Pace actually. Fang Bo was just messing around and refused to loop. He just pushed and lobbed from very low. Give Fang Bo a run for his money.. LGL is smoking the good stuff
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game becomes beautiful when the opponent plays beautiful. it is the same when one wins with lps and people say 'that game had nothing'. can not chop like joo if the other player can not loop as a high level player. in fact below 1,800 there is little chop. just pop ups and mistakes. |
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Not humiliating at all. When you watch the pros play they're evenly matched - the result is fireworks. But when there's a small amount of leverage either way it becomes a lot more tactical.
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These 2 aren't even playing the same sport
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LGL_fan
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Well Brian Pace at one point was a US2500 player, but here he could not even return common backspin serves and hits slow topspin returns into the net. I just don't understand it. This doesn't look like anything resembling 2000+ rated play. Fang Bo's attacks don't look too strong here either.
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Fang Bo is on the CNT's B-team, right?
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You seem to not understand just how low 1800 is compared to either of these guys, I'm positive either of them could beat an 1800 player 11-1 or better more often than not, even though this match had no point to be played at 100% there was still a lot of work on the ball
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Fang Bo has defeated the likes of Timo Boll etc, hence the nervous shots by Brian. I have to say that Fang did look like he was messing around but Brian did have some good serves. Fang's mizutani serve looked like it gave Brian a lot of trouble and just from observing the video, I cannot understand why.
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Nothing against Brian Pace but comparing him to Fang Bo is like comparing apples to oranges. In the U.S. Pace is a great player and even better a great guy who cares a lot about the sport here. But Fang is at a whole different level, USATT 2500 is nothing for a player of his caliber. |
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i see Brian ..where's pace?
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The USATT scale is not linear. I think it's a log scale, so the gap between 1800 and 2000 is much smaller than the gap from 2300 to 2500 in terms of skill level. I think the highest rating anyone ever had was 2950+ and that was KLH if I remember correctly when he played a tournament here.
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The easiest way to explain how difficult a very high level player is to play against, just try to think about playing the first really tricky LP player you played and how you were bamboozled by the weird spin, bounce and pace on the ball that all disrupted your timing and thoughts in general.
That's exactly how it is playing a high level inverted player, you can if you are good enough vary the ball extreme amounts with inverted and do it exactly how you want, thus giving the next ball you are about to receive a high degree of predictability. Plus they have much better and faster over the table games to punish that next ball which they already know where and what height it will be from the moment they hit it the point before. Plus they have a powerful long range game to fall back on if they need it. An 1800 guy feels like that playing me, just like I would playing playing Brian Pace just like he does against the guys the next level up, just like Fang would to a lesser degree against Ma long |
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from this video, it clearlys hows Fang was just messing around. He never serveed this lng serve during internation tourneys and just look at his receiving form, you can tell he's just taking it easy.
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No wonder Fang Bo did not play seriously, there was no need to.
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Yes. Difference in 600 RC points is a serious gap.
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dingyibvs
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Na, it's pretty linear. Points are exchanged only based on ratings differentials, not on the players' absolute ratings. It only seems like 2500 and 2300 are closer than 1800 and 2000 because it becomes difficult to eyeball how good a person as levels go up, but 2300 don't beat 2500's any more often than 1800s beating 2000s. For example, if you didn't know the head-to-head records, does Wang Hao's game look unbeatable compared to Mizutani Jun's?
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wow, judging based on a video. here we go again, why don't you show us your vid? you don't know the spin on those balls, placement and timing of it. go and look for one of the MyTT members - pushblocker, Olivier Mader on youtube. might enlighten you a little bit.....please, "it looks like", oh, god.... |
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can anyone tell me what rubber on the backhand side of bryan pace ?
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Some sort of short pips... |
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The USATT scale cannot be perfectly linear; you are right in saying that points are exchanged on rating differentials, but that really only applies to rated players who play many matches. Statistics is really only a reliable predictor when it involves a very large number of trials. Unrated players throw off the system. Extremely good players also pose a problem to the scale; above a certain level (let's say ~2600), there are so few players with that rating range that the initial rating is often inaccurate in reflecting upon playing ability. Hypothetically, if a foreign player plays a tournament and creams all the top U.S. players rated 2600-2700 3-0/4-0, his rating would be a total stab in the dark. Since he didn't have any losses, or play anyone near his level, it is hard to accurately gauge his true playing level with a numerical rating. Sure, they could assign him 2900 or something. But does that mean his skill compared to a 2700 is the same as the skill of a 2000 compared to an 1800? Not really. In my opinion, the USATT scale is relatively linear, but it becomes unpredictable as you approach the upper limits of the ratings scale and there are fewer established players with those ratings.
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What was the score by the way? I have a feeling that it was 3-0 or 4-0. maybe 6's and 7's Very calm and relaxed performace. No need to use lots of energy just win then onto the next round. With the standard gap being that large I'm feeling that Fan Bo is just getting the job done. That's not taking anything away from BP at all as he gave it 110%.
As for an 1800 rated player giving a top 100 (guess) world class pro a good run for his money I doubt it very much.
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I can see that people who have not played competitively against the pros (top or even semi-pros) have no idea how good they are.
The scary thing isn't that Fang Bo has so much more on every shot (serve , push etc.) and can handle anything that Pace throws at him with ease. The scary thing is that there are so many "divisions" even amongst international / top league players through to the very best. Fang Bo would thrash the guy who thrashes the guy who thrashes the guy who thrashes the guy who thrashes the guy who thrashes Brian Pace, if you know what I mean . When you play someone that much better than you, you have to play more powerfully than normal (otherwise your shots have zero effect) off way more difficult balls than you are used to facing. That means you miss everything, get totally stressed and when the opponent gives you something easy to be kind, you miss it anyway because your head is scrambled. And that's why I say that people don't understand how good the top guys are. And why I smile at how much importance people attach to what equipment the pros are using when deciding on what they should use. |
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