Can you rate them? [ ~Video~ ]#2

bonggoy wrote: The righty is much, much better than the lefty. He is toying with him especially the first game. I would say the lefty to be around 1800 to around 2000. The better player makes him look good. We have a player similar to him in our club. Very good stroke. Loops backhand and forehand, if you let him. Lousy serves and serve return. Not sure of his rating but he beats most 1800 and below players. I beat him 3-0 every time because I take advantage of his serves and serve return.

I don't think they are 2000, because they have visible glaring weaknesses. They have some things they do well, and others absolutely horribly. So, in a match, they will have to face their horrible game because the opponent will target the weakness.

You're a 2000 player, but I bet that if I tape your game and only show the good points - hopefully all out attack with forehand or opening with backhand you would look not a bit less than 2500.

Slade wrote: The main reason for the lower rating before was the amount of unforced errors which is par for the course on the under 1800 or so. It's harder to tell with edited footage though obviously they look much better this way.

bluebucket wrote: Both these guys would send any of you 1900-2000 loopers back to school. It's hard to understand until you play a reasonably good older guy just how much the years count

haha you make it sound like you're the only one here that has played a skilled older player. I think most 1900-2000 players of any style would beat these 2 guys simply because they have apparent weaknesses that can be exploited rather easily by a 1900-2000 level player. These guys are more around 1700-1800 level imo

dragon kid wrote: I never like the term unforced errors. When one guy vary his spin speed placement, and the other guy make a mistake, the error is forced I really can't believe someone could said the coach (the right handed) is under 2000 (I would estimate 2200 +/- 100 points). He was not playing seriously and he looked very good. Those who said someone looked bad on videos should taped and watch themselves play.. That will be an eye-opening experience..

Actually, there's simply not enough information based on the two videos posted, to see if this player could deal with aggressive attackers in the 2100-2200 range... We could see him controlling the ball and attacking most of the time because the pace in the videos favors his style.  What would happen when a stronger opponent put him under tremendous pressure?  I can't possibly know without seeing it.  We have some serious attackers in the 2100-2200 range at our club that could upset many 2300 level players if you let them play their game against you.  For example, Rudy Miranda is only rated 2212 but he's currently ranked about 1100 in the world, and his friend Guillermo Morales is only rated 2066 but he was ranked in the 1200s in the world just a couple of years back... Both of these players at our club easily have 2350-level skills and knowledge, but they can't execute them physically anymore.

If the question is:  Does this player in the video have 2100-2200 level skills and understanding of the game?  Then I would tend to say yes.  More videos will be useful.

dragon kid wrote: RR, but would you say the coach, the right hander is below 2000? This is what I find it hard to believe..

From the video he backs up too easily for my taste... A well-placed medium speed shot will back him back too readily.  I would say the game displayed in the video is just too leisurely in pace for me to judge with better accuracy.  Also it's better to show all points, good and bad, than just good ones, so I can better estimate how either one will do against other players that they are not familiar with.  The key I am trying to emphasize is even some high-1900s players can really play in the U.S., and many were former high level players in their country when they were younger.  Real competition in the U.S. is usually found in the Nationals and U.S. Open.  For example, the U2000 event in either tournament will require the eventual winner to perform at 2125-level at the very minimum... So it's really not a walk in the park to maintain an active 2000+ rating IF they attend most U.S. Open and Nationals events.

dragon kid wrote: If you see the vid, the coach backs up because he wants his opponent to attack, probably to try to make Mr. Sahir comfortable to open up and take initiative, like I said the coach even served easy balls to the FH. If he was serious, he would have serve to the BH where Mr. Sahir is less comfortable. IMO this was not a serious match, at least for the coach it was not :) Well, it just shows how difficult it is to rate someone just from a video :))

I agree, but it's actually fairly easy if it's a video of a match or two at an U.S. sanctioned four-star event...

kenneyy88 wrote: Jonan wrote: kenneyy88 wrote: The guy in black is the one that is injured? He can't bend down? Sallom89 wrote: he is 41, and had a disc injury which prevented him from playing competitively at a young age. I guess that is yes? He didn't say which one is which.

i would also like to see those who keeps giving low ratings and not justifying it  to post their vid.

I am done commenting on this thread.

no dont include me addoy.. you justified your rating on my thread so I have no problem with it..

Sallom you asked for ratings. People gave you ratings. Nothing personal man. Why do you get offended if somebody gives a rating lower than you expected? And then challenge them? I never said I was a high level player. But you didn't specifically ask for opinions from high level players only. I gave my opinion and I gave some justifications for my assessment. Don't take it as an insult. I'm only looking at the video. You are free to disregard my opinion.  I'm not pretending to be an authoritative expert. As you can see others have given higher ratings. Like you said you and the guys whose video you posted don't need validation from me. But you are certainly acting like my validation is so important that you get offended it was too low. The way I see it you should be thanking all of us who did you a favor and responded to your request for ratings even if you don't agree.

Sallom89 wrote:  I nearly thanked everyone, except you.. and really appreciated everyone's comments and time that took them to watch the video except you?.. probably your frequent comments that are sometimes offending and sometimes out of topic? your validation is not important at all man (but I appreciate it 'to be fair'), they didn't ask people to rate them..  I did.. what a away to act like Gaddafi, you are so unrealistic. Anyway, I'd rather skip you and throw this argument behind my back. Thanks for killing the topic.

Seriously, chill out. You asked for opinions, people gave it to you. Some you liked, some you don't.

bonggoy wrote: Sallom89 wrote:  I nearly thanked everyone, except you.. and really appreciated everyone's comments and time that took them to watch the video except you?.. probably your frequent comments that are sometimes offending and sometimes out of topic? your validation is not important at all man (but I appreciate it 'to be fair'), they didn't ask people to rate them..  I did.. what a away to act like Gaddafi, you are so unrealistic. Anyway, I'd rather skip you and throw this argument behind my back. Thanks for killing the topic. Seriously, chill out. You asked for opinions, people gave it to you. Some you liked, some you don't.

Is ur rating about the same as the rating in India?

ZJKandMLfan wrote: i think that it is really hard for us to give the coach a legitimate rating because i personally believe he is much more capable than what he is showing us in the video.   However, i feel that the left handed is about a 1900 player and just about 2000. The leftie's bh is too weak and ofc u can argue by saying "he wasn't trying to hit hard cuz he's gonna get blocked down" or anything along the lines of that. once again i feel that the coach  is capable of playing 2150-2200 rating. Keep in mind tho guys, practice matches are much different from sanctioned matches/tournaments. Experience, mental toughness and all that good stuff have a much bigger role in affecting your rating than you think. I know a junior player in canada who plays like hes 2600 u.s and then as soon as real matches come, he has poor mental game and only plays like hes 2200 :(