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    Posted: 06/10/2011 at 7:04pm
 Hello everyone, this is a video of our coach in blue, and a good person who works in our university. What do you think of their level? technique and what would their rating be?

Note: this video is like 1-2 months old, their level now even stronger, plus you don't see much counter looping because they know each other well and try to control the point in their own favor it seems.




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Originally posted by Sallom89 Sallom89 wrote:

 Hello everyone, this is a video of our coach in blue, and a good person who works in our university. What do you think of their level? technique and what would their rating be?

Note: this video is like 1-2 months old, their level now even stronger, plus you don't see much counter looping because they know each other well and try to control the point in their own favor it seems.




 Thanks in advance.


I'll try to get the ball rolling...

It's always hard to tell via video, but... My guess is around 1900 USATT.

My friend is ~2000 and I'm confident he'd beat them (though perhaps not "easily). I have another friend who is ~1800 and I think those guys would give him trouble. So I guessed between 1800 and 2000. Smile

I could be way off and if they're much higher then I don't mean to be insulting (though I suppose I'd only be insulting my own poor judgment Embarrassed). Like I said, it's always hard to tell via video, and only watching one match against one opponent.


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Roughly according to my fellow club members and their ratings...
 
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Most likely 1750 or so at high end...
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i would say 1700 +- 100
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Your coach can barely move and has a hard time controlling his serves and his serve return. He is always out of position and as a result, always reaching for his shots.

The guy in black is a little bit better. He can at least control his serves. Not much better with his serve return.

It is very hard to gauge someones rating or level especially when they know each other's game. However, if they are higher rated, you will see more looping and counter looping duel. In this case, you see a lot of loose serves and serve returns, followed by weak loops and weak blocks.

I see this level everyday in my old club. They are usually around 1200 to 1600.
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They seem to have problems with their footwork... my guess 1600~1750 
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1200 i think is too low.  i think they get plus points for the high toss serves. :)  minus points for familiarity with each other.

there was not much short game or finesse shots or variety in serves and playing distance though, so that would put the upper limit at 1800 i think.


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I would agree with 1700 +/- 100pts.  Especially if they know each other, that puts them more in a comfort zone meaning they are performing better than they would playing people they dont usually play.

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Problems looping underspin and inconsistent 3rd ball. Poor service returns. No footwork. No strategy. Lack of overall control - like no slow spin, no touch shots, inability to counter. The list is quite long. I think anywhere around 1400-1500 would be my best guess.
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wow.. I've see bad players rated very high here, the guy in black totally destroys me.. I can't even see the ball when he loops on both wings :/ I guess I'll let him know or read your evaluations and record a match again with another opponent who was high ranked in Egypt.. then ask you guys to rate him again.. He thinks alot during the game, have a strategy.. but I agree that he didn't display it here, not his best :O! but then again, I'm pretty shocked with low ratings!

 Thanks all for taking the time to watch and comment.
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Their service returns, especially given how little variation their services have(not to mention always going long, especially the blue shirt guy), and hence their services would get killed by most 1700+ attackers.  They have a pretty solid BH, which most sub 1500 players don't have, and their blocking is also well above the 1500 level, so I'd say 1600-1750 is the probable range for them.
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1600 +/- 200. Guy in the black is better.
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USATT 1700 for Texas or Baltimore seems in the neighborhood. These guys would be div 4 in my city and div 5 in Seoul.
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With all due repeat, (I know it is hard to tell via video) if my coach had played like your coach, I would have changed my coach next session. Are you sure they passed their tt coach exam?
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Must not be much of an official coach, doesn't even have a rating.
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Guys, are you joking. These two players are ~ 1900 RC, which means more than 2000 USATT.
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Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

Guys, are you joking. These two players are ~ 1900 RC, which means more than 2000 USATT.

You're only as strong as your weakest area though, and you can't cover for poor services and service returns.  They have very strong BH looping and blocking skills, but 1800+ players should be able to kill just about every one of their services and service returns.
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This is valid for professionals, i.e., for players above 2400 RC.

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Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

Guys, are you joking. These two players are ~ 1900 RC, which means more than 2000 USATT.

You're only as strong as your weakest area though, and you can't cover for poor services and service returns.  They have very strong BH looping and blocking skills, but 1800+ players should be able to kill just about every one of their services and service returns.


I think you overestimate an 1800 level player...not every player, even up to 2100 level, has great serves or is great at flicking all serves...some that is their strength, some they have weakness in that area. You're only as strong as your weakest area that the opponent is strong at exploiting.

Eeeeveyone loooves to trash people's videos on here, I think we get too used to watching highlight clips of top 10 players on youtube and forget that a real match looks like from the other side of the camera, lots of serve return errors and missed shots.
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Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

Guys, are you joking. These two players are ~ 1900 RC, which means more than 2000 USATT.

I wouldn't say that would be accurate for players outside of the U.S. In the U.S, RC uses a player's USATT rating if they have one to help base their initial rating. Then players can play against each other to get ratings similar to USATT ratings but usually RC is lower than USATT. In a foreign place, I don't think it can be that comparable to USATT ratings. 
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Sometimes ratings lie. You will notice if they are strong and professional in coaching if they have good footwork and angles and hitting the ball with good quality shots.. you could not lose easily your trained footwork and shots in such a friendly game. Smile
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Definitely more than 1800 USATT. I would say about 1900 USATT +/-100 points.
I've some 1500-1700 rated players on videos. These guys, especially the black one is way better..
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Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:

Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

Guys, are you joking. These two players are ~ 1900 RC, which means more than 2000 USATT.

You're only as strong as your weakest area though, and you can't cover for poor services and service returns.  They have very strong BH looping and blocking skills, but 1800+ players should be able to kill just about every one of their services and service returns.


I think you overestimate an 1800 level player...not every player, even up to 2100 level, has great serves or is great at flicking all serves...some that is their strength, some they have weakness in that area. You're only as strong as your weakest area that the opponent is strong at exploiting.

Eeeeveyone loooves to trash people's videos on here, I think we get too used to watching highlight clips of top 10 players on youtube and forget that a real match looks like from the other side of the camera, lots of serve return errors and missed shots.

Not flicking, and they don't need to be great serves either.  The blue player serves long the vast majority of the time with no deception and an 1800 level player would be able to attack that easily.  It's VERY important to keep in mind that these two players know each other very well, so services and service returns need to be viewed through that lens.  Heck, their services look so simple and long that you don't even need to be familiar with it to attack it effectively.  I think you're seriously underestimating 1800 level players.

Here's a video of an U-1700 match:


The little girl(Diane Jiang I believe) in the video was rated just above 1700 after that tournament, and she remained below 1750 for at least 5 tournaments after that one so the ~1700 rating is fairly accurate.  I think the blue shirt player is around her level, with the black shirt guy perhaps a bit higher at ~1800, despite the close score.
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well, from my point of view, in usa people play different TT. Different attitude. I dare to call it pussy TT.
Here, we dont try to look like somebody else. We just play whatever works for us. it is hard to judge anything from videos. By look, I may look great with somebody who suits me or who let me play my game. I may look retarded with someone better who pushes me into situations I dont like or I cannot handle.
The girl is nice example. She looks awsome, but she was allowed to play exactly what she was trained for. Such video only tell us that she practices modern fast attack style close to the table.

This video posted by sallom is poorly rated because they dont look like pros and they dont move like them. I dont judge players by how they look, how they swing. Those guys seem to be confident in what they are doing (despite the many errors they made) and they didnt pretend anything. I dont think they are weak. If you want some numbers, I would guess 2000-2100 points of so called usatt rating.
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Well said Tomas.. Thumbs Up
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I dont understand the tactics of the guy playing the little girl. It looks like a tournament, but he keeps serving long straight backspin to her FH. Even when lobbing he was nice and kept it head height for her. Some higher lobs would really ruin her day LOL. As would a really short serve.

The two guys are quite a bit smarter, yes they were serving long sometimes, but at least it seemed a bit more planned, and they usually aimed at the BH, which is not too bad an idea depending on the situation. Im reasonably sure those two could beat the little girl. Those two guys, esp the blue guy had that solid shots feel, which usually means they are quite good.

And that little girl really needs to stop that ridiculous choing.

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I'm wondering why they are doing high-toss serves.  I have not seen anybody under-2000 doing high toss serves. In fact, I think I've seen high toss serves only in videos of 2500+.
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