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AVarun 
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 Topic: Canadian ratings displayPosted: 05/04/2007 at 3:01pm |
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Is it just me or does the ratings display at the CTTA seem less than satisfactory? It's a nice feature they've added recently showing how individual matches increase or decrease a player's rating. But even these seem cluttered and are not 'viewer friendly'. On top of that, there are errors galore i.e double counting losses, so that some players lose twice as much on an individual match. There are the usual errors of counting wins as losses( or vice versa) and missing results at times. Hope they get these things straightened out soon. Someone in Ottawa could even train one or more of us on the software, so we could help out as a part-time job! In the US, they are very rigourous; they update the ratings every week by Thursday at midnight. If you are going to have ratings, might as well take them seriously- without becoming obsessive of course. It's a quality which adds to the appeal of competitive table tennis.
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stanleyhu
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Posted: 05/04/2007 at 6:02pm |
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I'm not satisfied at all. Too many error and no correction after being informed. Very disappointed too.
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Pip Master
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Posted: 05/04/2007 at 8:36pm |
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i agree... but the worst was late 2005, remember that? when they kept giving people too many points after each tourny and had to correct it afterwards. one time i made 50 points, and they wrote that i made 250 lol. it was ridiculous. the best system imo wa sthe one they had just b4 this newest one.
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priior
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Posted: 05/04/2007 at 10:25pm |
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i gotta admit i don't like it much either! but it must be a lot of work keeping everything up to date often..
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legender
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 10:50am |
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Does the CTTA use a different system from USATT? How to compare them? how much would be for CTTA if USATT rating is 2000?
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AVarun
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 12:11pm |
Somewhere between 1875-1925.
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legender
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 12:47pm |
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I doubt it. The current top rating in canada is 3695 while the toppest in US is 2783.
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Pip Master
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 1:26pm |
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that is simply because the top canadian players are much stronger than the top US players, and 3600 canadian must be equal to around 3200 US.
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legender
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 2:02pm |
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According USATT, Peng Zhang's rating is 2766. =3695?
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manluski
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 3:12pm |
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hi legender and pipmaster
i believe your are dreaming with those high ratings for canadian players like peng zhang over 3200. what is canada's rating in world. how good do they perform against international players. canadian players are not much better than usa if at all. peng zhang is good but not all that. i bet he would not even win commonwealth gold. canadians players are left overs from china etc. the chinese would not let them go if they had any potentials. lets see how they perform at zagreb.
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 3:37pm |
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firstly zhang pengs canadian rating is 3600 something, which is no doubt way higher than 2700 us. (it must be because he does less us tourneys than canadian ones). zhang peng is in very good form and has recently beaten michael maze, fredrik hakkensen, jens lunqvist and feng zhe.
secondly, yes canadian top players are stronger than top usa players, theres no point arguing over that. zhang peng is much stronger than david zhuang. thridly yes many of canadas top players are and were chineses "leftovers" as you call them. but its the same thing in usa (in canada, johnny huang and zhang peng. in usa, cheng yinghua and david zhuang, not to mention lubulesku from yugoslavia.) And lets give some of the credit to canada, for example, johnny huang began playing for canada in the early 90's however many of his better results were acheived after several years of training in canada (such as '96 olympics quarter finals.) Finally in canada we will always encourage our home grown players as much as ones who have immigrated from other countries, and imo we are succeeding, we have up and coming players like pier-luc hinse and bence csaba, and a handful of juniors that are very strong. |
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 3:41pm |
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and yes zhang peng would probably win commonwealth gold, or at least silver, last commoonwealth finals was between kamal-sharath achanta and william henzell. wilson zhang is ranke dmuch higher than henzell and has a winning record against him and 0 losses. and achanta is 2 places ahead of him on the world ranking list. so yes he is the second favourite to win the commonwealth games.
Manluski your arguments have no credibility or foundations whatsoever. |
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 6:43pm |
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ctta used to have a US/CANADA rating calculator... and the way they explained it, was canadian ratings were lower than us ratings.
something about the us having more players, therefore more range of numbers were needed to fine tune one;s rating.. therefore, higher numbers. (but not a linear relationship) since then theyve dropped the calculator tho.. it wasnt precise enough to be used officially i think.. |
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 6:47pm |
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i dont agree with 3200 usatt either cause kong linghui is 2899 |
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AVarun
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Posted: 05/05/2007 at 10:47pm |
At the lower levels, the Canadian ratings are stronger than the US ones i.e a Canadian rating of 1600 is considerably stronger than a US 1600. They equalize at around 2175. Beyond that the US rating is considered stronger than the Canadian. But the US numbers don't go higher than 2700 ( rarely, if ever) for US based players. The Canadian ratings have crossed 3600. That may be , as Pip Master has pointed out, that the top players in Canada are actually better than the top players in the US, but it also has something to do with the Canadian ratings being 'inflationary'- they keep going up.
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AVarun
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Posted: 05/06/2007 at 8:31am |
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I should qualify that by saying that of course not everyone's rating is going to keep going higher and higher indefinitely. There are some players whose ratings will remain at a certain level or range. But the very talented players who also train seriously will see their rating go up, some of them beyond 3000. Things stabilize and correct themselves in the long run!
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Posted: 05/06/2007 at 12:47pm |
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Any official rating method from websites?
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Pip Master
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Posted: 05/06/2007 at 1:24pm |
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in canada if you beat a player with 500 + points more than you, you gain 50 points, if you beat a player 400-500 more than you you gain 40 points, 300-400 more =30 points, etc. its something like 12 points if you beat a player equal to you.
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manluski
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Posted: 05/07/2007 at 12:21pm |
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hey guys
good luck to zhang peng. what i mean is that this guy has not really been tested in competitions such as us open or protours though he seems to be a fine player. let see how he comes out in zagreb. we just have to wait and watch or see before promoting this guy. i don't see canada wining gold in commonweath for a while with the level of game i have last seen say 2yrs ago or competition results such as usa open.
secondly, gone are the days of canada fielding expatriates such as kusanovic or johnny wang who dominates us players in competitions without dropping a game. the field is much tighter now and on any given day there is no advantage. so lets see how your peng holds up.
thirdly, johnny wang from what i heard never really practiced with his canadian teammates for fear that they mught lower his standard and he was always in asia. that way he maintained his superiority and reign. correct me if i am wrong
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Posted: 05/07/2007 at 9:31pm |
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johnny huang played in canada half the year and the other half in europe, stopped training in asia around mid 90's. And wilson zhang didnt play the last commonwealth games, but no doubt he would have came in the final 3 at least.
anyways, i didnt want to sound un-american. as far as international events go, i will always be very supportive of usa, as i will be about any north american country. |
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Posted: 06/25/2007 at 2:06pm |
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No way Zhang Peng or any of them would not win the Commonwealths. The 2 best players in the Commonwealth are Gao Ning and Yang Zi numbers 18 and 33 in the world! They would be lucky to get to the semis as there is Kamal, Cai Xiao Li, Toriola and Henzell to contend with!
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Posted: 06/25/2007 at 2:33pm |
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These "leftovers" from China do very well in other countries.....Gao Ning, Yang Zi from Singapore...Jiang Tianyi, Tang Peng in HK....Tie Yana, Li Jia Wei from HK/Singapore...Chen Weixing...Yang Min(ITA)...Liu Song...the list goes on....
This just shows the depth of China's team.....most if not all of the names were former national team members that didn't get a chance to compete(especially with China's top players)...so they received citizenship in other countries... |
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