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The soul of rock 
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 Topic: Can't generate enough back spin with the servePosted: 03/04/2016 at 7:17pm |
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This has troubled me for a while that I can only generate side/top spin with my reverse pendulum FH serve. I spent like 2 hours tonight trying to get some good back spin on it but it didn't turn out well, so I thought may be I should record some clips and ask for help here. I would really appreciate if you guys can watch the clip and give me some pointers. Please ignore the poor ball placement or the bad throw for now.
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MLfan
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Posted: 03/04/2016 at 7:52pm |
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In general, your reverse pendulum doesn't incorporate enough of your body's power. I think you may be focussing too much on the wrist part.
Another thing is that you're not actually brushing the ball long enough to produce heavy underspin. The ball leaves your racket too quickly. If you want to produce heavy underspin, you also need to actually get your racket to brush underneath the ball :P
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The Canadian Bacon
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Posted: 03/04/2016 at 8:01pm |
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* concentrate on starting the contact at the back of the ball #2 position as you come under it with the top part of your blade face, your grip is great.
*you need to torque a little bit more at the center as you toss the ball...some people do a small step forward to help the follow through (FZD) * take your time practicing the stroke like a real serve, don't just go through a motion.  Edited by The Canadian Bacon - 03/04/2016 at 8:06pm |
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mjamja
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Posted: 03/05/2016 at 1:03am |
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You might get better analysis if you filmed from the side. It is harder to see your blade angle change and where exactly it is when you contact the ball when filming from the front than it is filming from the side. Having said that, you might try snapping your wrist earlier. It looks like the racket gets more horizontal and would be going under the ball for underspin in the later part of the swing. But you have already made ball contact with a fairly vertical blade well before your racket gets turned to that angle. With an earlier wrist snap maybe you contact the ball after the blade gets more horizontal so you can generate underspin. You might also try serving on to a towel placed on the far side of the table. The towel will make sure you can see if what you are changing is having any effect on the type of spin you are generating. It is easy to miss a change from side-top to pure side, but that might be exactly the first clue that you are changing something in the right direction to eventually get to side-under. Good luck. Mark
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Egghead
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Posted: 03/05/2016 at 1:56am |
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You might want to let the ball drop more before you go through your serve motion.
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Posted: 03/05/2016 at 6:21am |
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Let's just say you are making a lot of common mistakes amateurs make when trying to serve reverse backspin with the pendulum serve. If you look at the third video, I Was serving just like you in 2014. This is me learning the backspin serve. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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NextLevel
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Posted: 03/05/2016 at 6:41am |
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If you don't want to use a frisbee, this is an alternative. Gotta be a heavier towel for training though and be patient - developing wrist strength can take time:
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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vanjr
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Posted: 03/05/2016 at 6:27pm |
What would I give to serve the reverse pendulum serve this good!!!
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cole_ely
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Posted: 03/05/2016 at 6:43pm |
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I certainly don't stand with my left leg forward when I do the reverse pendulum, but then I prefer to stay in the same stance for all my serves, more or less. Or I try to. Most of my reverses come from a regular motion and I just flip back and contact on the way back out. You aren't supposed to stand left leg forward on a regular pendulum serve are you?
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aerial
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Posted: 03/05/2016 at 8:26pm |
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I have the same problem... can only produce top/side-top with the reverse...
For the record your reverse top/side-top is miles ahead of mine haha.
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benfb
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Posted: 03/06/2016 at 3:18am |
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A lot of people have already posted on how to improve your overall service stroke for the reverse pendulum, but I have a much simpler suggestion.
Your current motion strokes across the back of the ball, along the bottom. I use this motion sometimes to generate a spiral spin (not really a top spin). If you want true back spin then the easiest way to generate it is to make your motion go forward. You need to stroke the bottom of the ball going forward. Basically, you need to cut the ball, just like a push. So make your motion go forward rather than going sideways across the baci.
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lineup32
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Posted: 03/06/2016 at 1:08pm |
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here is a video that is in German but even if you do not understand German doesn't matter as his visual movements are understandable. practice contact and controlling your racket position at impact is one of the keys to developing an effective backspin serve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy0rokz7D38 |
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