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boaspirit
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how do you guys feel about the TBS with chinese rubber like H3neo and skyline 3 neo
this is for forehand only will it be slower, harder to use or will it be faster? same for viscaria i might get one of these depending how well they fit with chinese rubber this is only for forehand i use jap or euro rubber for BH i prefer spiny loop and control to speed but i like some speed to finish the point up when the chance come. ive only been using cheap stuff, now i really want more expensive stuff lol EJ anyone? |
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Rahul_TT
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I have used H3neo on my TBS earlier. Commercial version that i used felt slow but gives you a chance to truly use your arm.. unline tenergy. If you can generate your own power, you can use it well. If you can't you will find it slow.
I am about to try provincial on a PG7 though..
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i've used the h3neo commercial on my tbs too(unboosted)!..it actually felt like it had okayish speed for the first few days! then it kinda felt slower but still had enough speed on a full swing. And like rahul said, it really lets you swing all out without having to worry about the ball landing outta the table or on the net!
But i guess its better to use a chinese rubber on a good thin flexy all wood than a composite! If you play mostly for fun, you can manage with almost any outta-this-world combination! |
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boaspirit
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i do have a big swing chinese style so that's good but can i ask why its better to have chinese rubber on thin flexy all wood rather then composite? |
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Rahul_TT
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its because you need more power. you can get springy/flexy power with all wood blades with great short game touch. with composite blades and hard rubbers, you do get more power but you lose the feeling of the ball. Also, some chinese coaches believe it takes a lot to put quality spin on the ball in rallies with chinese rubber on composite blades. thats why all wood blades are used a lot for beginners.
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Avallo
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@rahul_TT
actually it's not about power don't forget that chinese player is powerless than europe player but they use slower setup than them, why? because chinese player rarely do smash but spin their great spin is not generated by the power of muscle but impact power when they hit the ball.... actually, when u user TBS/Viscaria with Chinese rubber, it's so hard to do powerful smash... it's easier to do topspin CMIIW |
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You better stay with Bomb.
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boaspirit
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i rarely smash I'm a topspin junkie so that's fine for me that's smashing is hard i throw my opponent off with topspin loop and side spin loop i only drive on my backhand really
and i cant stay with bomb told you the EJ in me is too strong. never tried composite blade b4 i've really only used all wood i want to know what it feels like.lol thanks for the feedback i think ill go with TBS as its a much more balance blade. thank you everyone Edited by boaspirit - 02/15/2014 at 1:09am |
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TBS is perfect for chinese FH rubber. Best control in the world and great feel. Hard sponge chinese rubbers require hard stiff blades, or you cannot engage the sponge properly. Thin flexy all wood blade with H3, say Primorac with H3, would be total junk. TBS is the way to go, and you can always resell here without much loss.
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you seem to forget that ma long, ma lin, wang liqin, fan zhendong, wang hao - all use all wood blades. NOT TBS/Viscaria. |
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Avallo
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Are you sure?? I think you are the one who forget
That ma long use tbs then tb alc long ago Zhang jike use viscaria till now Wang liqin also use tbs in 2010-2011 Chen qi with m.maze Ma lin also ever use ma lin carbon Chih-Yuan Chuang use viscaria Hao shuai also use viscaria... And last.. Don't forget that dhs is creating composite blade like hk3 and hl3 |
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Gotta agree, H3 on a really flexy vibrating machine (like a Stiga !!!) has some real crappy feel to it, like a brick cracking. On the TBS, H3 is a great BH rubber and a FH one in a pinch, especially for Korean humid summer. I got an old sheet of H3 on a somewhat stiff 896 blade I made mods to be heavier, maybe stiffer and it is great. Tried H3 and Inspirit Qauttro on an older W6 and it was brick city the whole way.
So many different rubbers work well on TBS, but a firmer sponge seems a match better than a softer one for the Chinese rubbers I used on it.
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Maybe at short times. Wang Hao always 5-ply Ma Lin always used 5-ply, Extra then YEO never ma lin carbon. Wang Liqin used all wood 5-ply pretty much exclusively his entire career, except for a two month period of him using TBS, then switched to rosewood and then clipper. Ma Long switched to All wood because of coach recommendation, used it before as well. Fan Zhendong Infinity VPS, 5-ply Xu Xin YEO, Rosewood, Intensity 5-ply The only one who you can't question is Zhang Jike, everyone else switches too much. He's the only one consistently using composite. |
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Avallo
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Ma long? All wood? Hurricane long 3 is composite... Tb alc, he used it more than a year
And he is like rarely use composite... |
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I think you are missing the point sire. YOU are the only one preaching expertise in this thread while I merely said my own experience. I DON'T profess to be an expert. I certainly don't profess to be an uninformed expert like you for sure who can't get damn facts straight.
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Avallo
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Sorry but i only follow your statement about chinese coach then your statment about prof player.. Don't I ?
Actually my first post is about mine too.. But then you said about pro chinese player |
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I tried Juic 999 Turbo max on TBS with 999 Elite Defense on BH. Bouncy was tamed with enough speed and insane spin. So I believe TBS and Chinese rubbers work very well. Also tried it with Galaxy Moon with slightly less spin and a tic better control on FH side. It will add a bit of extra weight overall but TBS has great balance and I really didn't think about it.
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Avallo
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totally agree... TBS has great balance...
i use it with tenergy 05 n DHS H3 Nat and it still balance... |
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boaspirit
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how do you guys feel about this setup TBS with DHS Skyline3neo FH, and Tenergy80 BH, I never tried any tenergy before fastest rubber ive used are the donic acudas?
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Edited by Avallo - 02/16/2014 at 6:55pm |
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Avallo
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Hmm
I dislike tenergy80... It's better for me to use te05 or 64... 80 just between them and it is like nothing when u compare with them The speed is below 64 The spin is below 05 Control are equal |
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i tired the h3neo blue sponge before from ttnpp on a viscaria i dont know if it was 38 or 39 degrees but it was soft felt like 38 when it was boosted and it felt great
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cool good to know thanks but dont you think that having less spin on BH is good because it will be less sensitive to incoming spin and less speed will assured it hit the table |
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@boaspirit
having less spin and less speed is different with less sensitive to incoming spin n assuring the return... if you use it for blocking n pushing, te25 is better than 64,05 and also 80 i don't know why, but te25 is truly great for passive play and it becomes suck when i use it for spin or smash |
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Anyone that likes H3 blue sponge will love Juic 999 Turbo. I don't know what the sponge density is but I'm guessing about 39-41 deg. I hated T80, felt dead with no real identity.
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Avallo
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hmm... a new feedback for me... because I and all of my friends feels that T80 is faster than T05..
thanks for it Mr Baal |
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straits85
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As far I am concerned I really like the boosted national/provincial H3 on TBS.
It's powerfull but very controlable. Seemoon boost does not make it too hard on this kind of blade. 2 or 3 layers are enough. I think it would probably be too hard and not dynamic enough without boost. I also tried it on a Stradivarius with the same nice result. |
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Wow, maybe we are getting different stuff here in US? Through the five sheets I have had, 80 has always played slower than 05. I promise if you played with my blade you would notice it too, don't even need to play with it, just bounce the ball on the surface. I am not saying you are wrong, but it is really curious to me that we come to this different conclusion. I originally bought 80 to try it on my forehand, and I figured it was going to be faster, but didn't like it at all. Flipped the blade over, and was pretty happy. I don't think it is gluing, the sponge is the same for 05 and 80. Interestingly, we both have people who agree with us if you look through various reviews on these rubbers. You are not the only one who says it is faster. By the way, I completely agree with you about 25. |
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Avallo
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no, I believe that T80 in USA n INDO are identical because both of it, has qualified the QC test.
maybe how you test the speed isn't right enough... as i know, butterfly use the robot to control their production quality Butterfy has very tight Quality control because they can guaranteed that the point of Perform in the cover is right... Edited by Avallo - 02/18/2014 at 3:55am |
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