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 Posted: 10/03/2008 at 5:58pm |
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Watch the replay again. The ball is never over the table from any angle. And if it's never over and goes down it has hit the side.
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Posted: 10/03/2008 at 6:03pm |
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Watch the replay again. The ball is never over the table from any angle. And if it's never over and goes down it has hit the side.
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LachlanTan
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Posted: 10/04/2008 at 4:36am |
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Yea I agree especially with that accent
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JimT
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Posted: 10/04/2008 at 4:48pm |
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This is not necessarily true - simple geometry... if the ball comes from above diagonally, it doesn't have to be over the table before it hits the edge |
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sebas-aguirre
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Posted: 10/04/2008 at 10:29pm |
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i always thought of samsonov as "mr correct" too.....
but as i keep watching his matches this idea slowly fades away. i've seen a few times when he is loosing a match for many points, between sets he changes his tshirt. then, just by coincidence?, the paper with the number on his back was not well glued so he needs to stop in the middle of the set to fix that. every time i saw him do that he won that set. it seems like his last effort to take his opponent of his "nirvana state of mind" |
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chu_bun
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Posted: 10/06/2008 at 1:24am |
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Samsonov might have seen the point differently as did the umpires. We shouldn't judge someone's character based on just a few points.
I would consider myself as having good sportsmanship. But one time during a basketball game, I got a rebound and somehow some guy stripped it off from my hands, I pulled his shirt and throw him on the floor. I had never behaved like that before or since. At that moment, I just couldn't help it. Maybe I flunked a test, or saw the girl i liked sucking some jock's face, or whatever. Sammy boy may have a bad day and in argueing mode. Who knows. |
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Posted: 10/06/2008 at 1:29am |
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everyone is human, ppl lose their cool, for me, it was just unsual and something ive never seen in all the matches ive watched of samsonov
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Posted: 10/06/2008 at 4:28am |
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I agree but I lost a little bit of respect for him acting this way. He regaines a lot when I was told he wouldn�t attend The World cup because the opposition were all using booster.
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Posted: 10/12/2008 at 2:47pm |
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that was a persson's point... the ball fallen on side of the table... my opinion...
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Posted: 10/14/2008 at 2:25am |
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I just watched this match and I'm leaning towards giving Persson that point. If the ball had taken the top edge, it would have risen. Side balls go downward.
I also think that the umpires should have scored the point, one way or the other.
Apart from that, it was a great match.
I kind of understand Vladi wanting to play the match over. This might be his last chance to be a factor in Olympic table tennis. He was 3-1 up and 4-1 in game 5 when Lindh took the time out for Persson. You always want to replay matches when you let big leads like that slip away.
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takaaki
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Posted: 10/15/2008 at 5:31pm |
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"I also think that the umpires should have scored the point, one way or the other."
actually, if you look at the video closely, you'll see that that's what the umpires tried to do.
the head umpire ruled originally in samsonov's favor and so, persson argued.
at one point persson's says something like, "well, you're on this side and the ball hit over there (on the opposite side of the table) so how could you see it?"
so, she told him to go to the assistant ump. and the assistant said she saw the ball out, so the head ump changed her call (and the score to 9-9). that's when vladi got mad and started to complain, so persson gave in and said, "ok, so, let's repeat the point."
well, the ref got pissed and yelled in her thick chinese accent, "repeat?? no, never, never repeat!!'' which, of course, is right--she had to make a decision one way or the other. and then the referee came up and called her to the side and told her to have them replay the point.
so, though it took a long time, the umps actually got it right, but the ref overruled them and had them replay the point. and luckily persson kept his cool and won that game and the match.
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Posted: 10/16/2008 at 3:39am |
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Clear side...
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Posted: 10/16/2008 at 2:44pm |
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I think replaying point here is the best decision.
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Posted: 10/17/2008 at 1:23am |
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man that was on the side, whoever disagreed with this on this thread should see the above gif
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Posted: 10/17/2008 at 9:19pm |
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I think Persson is right,but he have not done it in a correct!@!! |
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Posted: 10/18/2008 at 10:02am |
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Being a Swiss umpire and watching the point under replay, it is easy to say that the ball hit the side, therefore..Difficult to judge on the spot, we are human....
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Posted: 10/21/2008 at 11:32am |
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though normally i would agree that you, as well as the rest of us, are human, that call nonetheless was an easy one to make and if you listen closely, the assistant ump (the woman on that side of the table) made the right call, but the ref overruled her (and the main ump) and that's why they replayed the point.
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Posted: 10/21/2008 at 11:35am |
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There is really not much to see there on the GIF. As I said before, the ball could have easily clipped the edge while coming from the side. So it's as always up to the referees. |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 at 11:47am |
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...therefore what do you think about this
No appeal may be made to the referee against a decision on a question of fact by the responsible match official or to the management committee on a question of interpretation of Laws or Regulations by the referee.
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Posted: 10/21/2008 at 1:39pm |
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i agree with that rule.
somebody has to have the final word and, in this sport, it's the referee.
that doesn't mean that i agree with his call, cuz like i said above, the assistant ump made the correct call, but i do respect his right to the final word.
he no doubt made that call cuz, at that point, both players were calling for replaying the point whereas the main ump had changed her call and given the point to persson (as she well should have).
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