Donic ALL/ALL+ Blades

Wondering which is the best ALL or ALL+ Donic blade (shakehand).

Anyone play with one? If so what rubbers are working on it?

Here is a link to the ALL range of blades Donic has:
http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.home&CVID=18738&Range=AR

I was thinking the Appelgren Allplay Senso V2 or the Cayman. Kinda different blades...any Donic pros can shed a little light on these blades?

Note: I saw a 2200 level player using the V2 and it was AMAZING the control and spin he was getting with Biglslam both sides... staggering control and loop spin variation.

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Posted some other related threads about this blade and possible rubber combos:

www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24734&KW=

www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24584&KW=

From my experience with Waldner Senso Carbon, Powerplay, Dicon, Waldner Senso and Opticon, I think all Donic blades are good, considering the price compared to BTY products.

Now, answering your question, for me, the best All+ Donic blade for control and varying spin is Waldner Senso V1/V2 (5-ply allwood with yellow handle).  Allplay is no doubt a good blade also but Waldner Senso still has a bit of stiffness, so good also for blocking/hitting in addition of being a very good looping blade.  Control is enormous.

The other 4 are good blades also, but they are more into Off- blades.  I tried Persson Impulse too, but it is Off.

Personally I dont like the feeling of the Waldner Senso V1 or V2they felt strange when I play with them. The Applegren Allplay V1 , V2 or the Solid Handle Version is the Best All round blade in the Donic Range, followed very closely by the Waldner Allplay.

When i was using the Applegren Allplay V1 - I started off with the Desto F3, then slowly progressed up to Desto F1. Now I'm using the Persson Powerplay V1 - which is an Off blade. (no where near as fast as my Carbo/Aramid)

holda wrote: I also tend to think that F3 and JO platinum are very very similar and should work fine with an all wood blade.

Desto F3 & JO Platin are worlds apart in Spin & Speed.

Desto F3 = 24 degree's
JO Platin = 33 degree's

Maybe you are thinking about the Platin Soft = 24.7 degree's

The Applegren series are some of the best allround blades on the market. Don't be fooled by the speed rating, as all of them are capable of producing good speed and spin, if you have the technique and fast rubbers. With the blade being less than 6mm thick, it has some flex to it, which helps produce more speed and spin when looping.

The Applegren Senso V2  is one of the best blades I've used, with excellent control and a great platform for fast rubbers. Compared to faster blades, which can be harder to control; this one feels easy to play with and it is good enough for players of any ability.

If you want something slightly faster, then the Applegren Senso V1 is a great blade too. i really liked the straight handle version on this blade.

The Applegren Allplay with the solid handle is a good performer too and likewise is a good platfrom for fast rubbers. The anatomical handle is very comfortable.

Donic also make some very good allround+ blades too, like the Dima Sawtec and Persson Power allround.

Seems like a medium or medium soft rubber in 2.0 or 2.2 would work on the appelgren all v2 (euro or japanese not chinese)

Rob: bigslam vs impuls speed? which was more grip on the rubber surface? which one serves better. My Xiom control 3 shouldn't be much faster than the appelgren v2???

On the appelgren v2, which would be better: refoma or jo waldner?

I have sort of set my sights on the applegren allplay v2 (i had this in mind from the beginning) and I truly appreciate the input...because it confirms what i remember about the blade.

thinking refoma, jo waldner, bigslam, ???

Thanks for the info... I kind of thought that too, its just that  a fairly high rated player was using that combo and it sounds and felt good. I think refoma would be a winner, JO Waldner might be just right too. 

I haven't used J O Waldner on an Applegren, but I have used it with good results on the forehand of various blades, in inglued form; like the Tibhar Samsonov Alpha, Stiga Allround Classic and Tibhar Chila light.

Whilst it's true it was designed for speed glue use, it's still a good choice for players who wish to use it in unglued form, on blades like the Applegren.

I haven't tried F3 bigslam, but F3 works on this blade.

Max Supersonic S40 and Innova premium work well on the senso V2. Glued up Xtend SG was a great match up with the Senso V2 and 2mm Xtend would suit the blade too, judging on how well I found it works on blades like the Stiga Allround Wood, Michael Maze and Mazunov.

PProb can also verify that 1.8mm Roxon 450 works a treat on the Senso V2.

Well, I really enjoyed the short game with Roxon 450... but with my budget, durability really dropped off too soon for me (which was several months-- but I only play once a week) The pushes with this rubber were amazing (on another ALL+ blade)

If JO Waldner and Refoma are similar, then I would be happy since I have seen refoma in play and hit with it several times. It seems like medium AND soft rubbers could work on this blade... if so that will be just fine for me. Now if I could just get paddlepalace to do a combo special with the v2, all would be perfect!

Now if anyone knows the dimension of the blade and weights (in general) I think I will settle down with this as my next weapon of choice. I am thinking Appelgren Senso V2 ST handle -- looking for a heavy one. Rubber still in the air.

pingpongrob wrote: The Impuls Speed is a touch faster than the BigSlam. I believe that the Bigslam has a grippier topsheet.

Thanks Rob! I never glued so I wouldn't know what I am missing. I played against Refoma glued and it was quite spinny. I am looking for Controlled Attack with the ability to produce really spinny serves. I am TOO strong says my coach (dauntless shrugs proudly) and hit the ball too hard -- yet not using proper technique (dauntless shrugs sheepishly) so I need something that will tame my wailing FH into a more precise tool. BH is OK so I can play almost any rubber there (even long pips -- I was attacking heavy underspin ball last week and doing flips on short service with 755 -- new found respect for LP -- am I switching? nope )

nice. is the sponge a little hard or just medium...on that 729 super fx? this one right--> http://zeropong.com/xcart4/product.php?productid=67&cat=287&page=1
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Well, I have done my homework and I am at a bit of a "crossroads".
I am trying to choose my rubbers for this blade and can't quite decide.

Some folks have suggested maybe Andro Roxon 450 in 1.8, or Donic Platin Soft in 1.8

Others have said that my original choice of JO Waldner or Nittaku Refoma would work.

Background for this EJ trip:
Before I used a Xiom Control 3 and it was great but after using an all wood blade for a while I decided to go back to a five ply wood blade.
I am using TSP REAL now and it has a sponge density of around 40 I think, and is grippy but not ridiculous. I am using this on a Primorac OFF- and it plays well. The old Primorac is 14 years old and is in fair shape, blade face got  beaten up by an idiot who removed old rubbers from it ( me ) and it was repaired by some wood epoxy. So it is time for a new all wood.

With this new Appelgren allplay senso V2 blade, I am trying to achieve at least as much speed, more control, and better feel. (Also satisfying my coach who want me to use an ALL/ALL+ blade.) Rubber wise, I want touch with this combo. Finesse. I need spin on serves, but not ridiculous amounts like Tenergy 05... that was too much for my game.

Refoma was incredible for me when I tried it and that is what I am thinking to get...but my dealer doesn't stock it and he says it is designed for speed glue.
The closest thing I could find to it was JO Waldner... and that is my choice so far. I want placement and control and the ability to perform all the strokes with CONSISTENCY from a consistent stable platform.... and medium soft or even medium 40ish density is OK by me.

I really liked Roxon but control was an issue for me and durability was too. I was using much thicker than 1.8 though.

Should I go with my gut on this and just get the JO Waldner, and maybe get Refoma when paddlepalace puts it on sale? Or should I go the tensor route and get back into a Platin Soft, Roxon 450 type of deal?

Thoughts?