Effortlessly Looping Underspin

I guess the penholder uses SP, so the spin is really not extreme and attacking underspin is a bit easier because of pips' less sensitivity to incoming spin.

Disagree that LP spin is never as great compared to inverted. A heavy topspin loop has a lot of spin. With a solid LP chop, you can return all of that spin, and even a little more, back to the looper.

chopchopslam wrote: Disagree that LP spin is never as great compared to inverted. A heavy topspin loop has a lot of spin. With a solid LP chop, you can return all of that spin, and even a little more, back to the looper. With an inverted chop, you are limited to the speed of your chop. Now, if you're a good chopper, you can put nearly as much spin on it as a looper can apply topspin, but in general, the LP chop is going to be heavier because it's easier to continue the spin from the loop.

Given that with LP you are dependent mostly for spin, on what the looper does, I cant really agree with this. In addition, the technique used for putting on additional spin is a very advanced one Requiring sufficient power for the pips to be bent back which means big kill from attacker or VERY fast swing from chopper

You know what? I think I'm going to change my position here. My spinniest chops are actually done with my inverted rubber on the FH side. It's a much more challenging shot though, than chopping with the LP. I'd say on average, LP gives back a spinnier ball, but with a heavy chopping motion in the hands of a skilled chopper, inverted can exceed the LP's spin.

for the past several yrs I have played against a couple of choppers that are 2150 to 2300. They both have LP on 1 side and inverted on the other. When they chop with the inverted I lay off of them and just push them back cause they have mega underspin. But when I see them chop with the LP I'm all over them cause they definitely don't have as much underspin. 

gatorling wrote: Depending on the level of the chopper you play..you can also do 1-2 spinny loops. Then the next ball you dead loop it (almost no brush, basically a lob disguised as a loop). If it comes back, you slam the crap out of the ball and then begin the looping game again. I'm not sure if pro players do this or if they're actually good enough to be able to choose from a slow spinny loop and a loop drive at anytime. I certainly don't have the confidence to loop drive against a LP chopper after he chops back a strong loop.

Ive seen really good players will loop several in a row and then not exactly lob it, but they drop it very short, pull the defender back in.  This "resets" the point so the ball is less loaded with spin and then they resume the attack.  Eric Owens always used to say that the key to looping against defenders was racket angle.  Open up more when it's loaded, less when it's more dead, but keep the stroke otherwise the same, and that way you are not straining to lift every loop with your legs.  It seems like the video that is what the attacker is doing.  I always found the hard part of that against good choppers is to know exactly how much spin they are using, especially choppers who are capable of twiddling effectively several times in the course of a point.  

Ran into an opponent who took up the ball early (right off the bounce) and sent a strong back-spin with high-speed ball back to me.  Impossible to loop it (at least for me).

I will try to do it.  The lady I am thinking about mostly is Li Jiawei (Vivian).  At a point she was actually around 2380 and she can twiddle and attack and is quick like a cat.  It's been about six months since she annihilated me last.  We have incredible points that end when (often) I misjudge the amount of spin on her chops.  The spin varies massively (due to twiddling and all sorts of other tricks) even though the trajectory is the same, and at some point I dump in the net or pop up and then it is all over.  The other is Sumi Lee, but I haven't seen her in awhile now that I think about it, and I have only played with her a couple of times since she usually plays at a different club.  She is much less tricky but just wears you down by getting EVERYTHING back and very low.  It is a blast to play with either one of them.

Strong backspin (underspin) and high speed (forward) seem to be mutually exclusive.

Edited by skip3119 - 02/21/2013 at 7:38pm

One factor [maybe] is that RSM knows JSH so well. Wouldn't they have trained a lot with each other?

Of the CNT players, XX by far looks most comfortable playing against JSH. He's able to effortlessly sustain a neutral exchange with JSH using his brush loop, before usually comfortably winning the point with one or a chain of powerful loop drives.

I've watched the video a couple of times now, and I think that part of the secret for this effortless looping is more about which ball he attacks, especially in the beginning of the match. The attacker don't get involved in many loop-chop rallies. He attacks weak pushes, if they come back as heavy chops, he starts over with the pushes and waits for the next weak push before he attacks. The weak pushes are forced by moving the defender in and out, which the attacker does very well.

beeray1 wrote: If chopping with LP yielded a weaker result compared to inverted, then nobody good would use them. Where's bogeyhunter to explain the mystical Long pips properties that nobody can agree upon?

While you wait for him, maybe this'll help :)

http://www.gregsttpages.com/articles3/53-articles/long-pimples/87-long-pimples-for-beginners