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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

Did Ochsenhausen send you a copy of Ryu's contract already?

Ryu will NOT play 100% of the Bundesliga matches this season. This has nothing to do with Euro-Asia. 

CTTSL lasts typically 3-4 months. TTBL goes from AUGUST to MAY. It is normal that players take breaks.




whos talking about contracts? if ur talking like that u must have seen the contract? even if its in the contract he doesnt play all the club games (specially to play another meaningless event), that contract makes sense to you? where else do you see a player signing a part-time contract for a club? also, playing in euro-asia is taking a break lol man ur funny... do see anyone else playing this event and missing their team games? NO, its stupid from the club to make that contract and selfish from ryu to ask for it. for me, its not professional to abandon his teammates and his club. but i guess im the only one who thinks like that


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Chan Kong Wah as team coach for Team Asia is quite unexpected.  Guess it'll be a long night for him.  And where is Richard Prause?
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Originally posted by rui pedro81 rui pedro81 wrote:

 
u think its ok for a player not to play 100% of their games for the club? where else do you see a player signing a part-time contract for a club?

Are you trolling? I already posted player statistics from the 2011 ttbl showing plenty players that played less than 18 games (100%). 

http://www.ttbl.de/bundesliga_saison_2011_2012

Look at Boll's stats.

Sometimes the club can't AFFORD to pay the player for 18 full games.

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Quote also, playing in euro-asia is taking a break lol man ur funny...

You haven't understood that this is an exhibition event.



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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

 
Originally posted by rui pedro81 rui pedro81 wrote:

 
u think its ok for a player not to play 100% of their games for the club? where else do you see a player signing a part-time contract for a club?

Are you trolling? I already posted player statistics from the 2011 ttbl showing plenty players that played less than 18 games (100%). 

http://www.ttbl.de/bundesliga_saison_2011_2012

Look at Boll's stats.

Sometimes the club can't AFFORD to pay the player for 18 full games.

Not gonna bother anymore.




no, but it seems that u are! boll was injured for some time last season and coulndt play for his club, so it wasnt because of contract issues like ur suggesting, since past seasons he played all games. he didnt "take a break" and went off to play other events, it wasnt because the club coulndt afford... also their coach had to play because other players got injured also. get ur facts straight :) im sure u wont bother, none of ur arguments are valid...
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Originally posted by rui pedro81 rui pedro81 wrote:



no, but it seems that u are! boll was injured for some time last season and coulndt play for his club, so it wasnt because of contract issues like ur suggesting, since past seasons he played all games. he didnt "take a break" and went off to play other events, it wasnt because the club coulndt afford... also their coach had to play because other players got injured also. get ur facts straight :) im sure u wont bother, none of ur arguments are valid...

Boy, you are completely wrong and clueless. It is well known that for several years now Boll has a special contract with Dusseldorf with limited league matches (especially in the regular season - he comes out for the playoffs and other decisive matches). Last year he had to play more than they had planned because the OTHERS were injured.

I suggest you stop this discussion before embarrassing yourself even further. 
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Originally posted by rui pedro81 rui pedro81 wrote:



no, but it seems that u are! boll was injured for some time last season and coulndt play for his club, so it wasnt because of contract issues like ur suggesting, since past seasons he played all games. he didnt "take a break" and went off to play other events, it wasnt because the club coulndt afford... also their coach had to play because other players got injured also. get ur facts straight :) im sure u wont bother, none of ur arguments are valid...

Boy, you are completely wrong and clueless. It is well known that for several years now Boll has a special contract with Dusseldorf with limited league matches (especially in the regular season - he comes out for the playoffs and other decisive matches). Last year he had to play more than they had planned because the OTHERS were injured.

I suggest you stop this discussion before embarrassing yourself even further. 


maybe u shouldnt even be in the discussion and embaresse yourself because ur totally missing the point?
its so well known cuz its all been talked alot? just cuz u know doesnt make "well known" ok? what is "very well known" is that boll struggled with injuries last season and didnt play in the some league and champions league matches and some pro tours to save his back and prepare well for Olympics.
But the point is Ryu was allowed to skip this important game (no mather whos fault it it) while boll who has that special contract aswell was there for his team? try to keep up before joining the discussion Wink
For me as a player or manager, a team should be together, stars and non stars, but for you guys is ok to have special rules for stars. this is what it has come to...
i´ve said it all about this subject, have fun discussing contract and clauses :)
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# Here are all the full matches of the 2nd Day (uploaded @TTJanus-Channel on YouTube)

(D2/G1) MAZE Michael - LI PING [Full Match]


(D2/G2) MATTENET Andrien - CHAN Kazuhiro [Full Match]


(D2/G3) SAMSONOV Vladimir - JIANG Tianyi [Full Match]


(D2/G4) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij - RYU Seung Min [Full Match]


(D2/G5) CRISAN Andrian - ACHANTA Kamal [Full Match]




http://www.youtube.com/Janus770 & https://www.facebook.com/TTJanus
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# And here (as a Playlist of videos) are all the full matches of this event: 

Edited by janus700 - 10/28/2012 at 5:56pm
http://www.youtube.com/Janus770 & https://www.facebook.com/TTJanus
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A German newspaper report on today's Bundesliga match specifies that Ryu's contract allows him 2 participations in non-league "events" (such as Euro-Asia):
http://www.derwesten.de/sport/lokalsport/duesseldorf/baum-zwischen-hoelle-und-himmel-id7238868.html

For Boll's contract, see for example:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_Boll#Wechsel_zu_Borussia_D.C3.BCsseldorf
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I'm still wondering what Kamal's role on the team was... and is this story about the Japanese boycotting ITTF events until boosters are cracked down on really true?  No Mizutani or Niwa?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

I'm still wondering what Kamal's role on the team was... and is this story about the Japanese boycotting ITTF events until boosters are cracked down on really true?  No Mizutani or Niwa?


I doubt this has anything to do with the boosters. Also it cannot be an official move by JTTF since Chan Kazuhiro is playing. I think this is more about recent China-Japan conflict and is on case-by-case basis although seems to be rather wide-spread. Also I still do not understand what they are proposing and why - are they saying they are not going to play in any events with the Chinese participants?
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


I doubt this has anything to do with the boosters. Also it cannot be an official move by JTTF since Chan Kazuhiro is playing. I think this is more about recent China-Japan conflict and is on case-by-case basis although seems to be rather wide-spread. Also I still do not understand what they are proposing and why - are they saying they are not going to play in any events with the Chinese participants?


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You can easily find player entries for upcoming events on the ittf site. The Polish Open in less than 2 weeks will have like 10+ Japanese and 5+ Chinese players. 

That "boycott" story was just a baseless rumor posted here. And since people love drama...

As for Kamal Achanta in the Euro-Asia; it's an exhibition event and he's a good player who usually makes crowd-pleasing games vs top players (like one of his matches vs Ma Long, lots of cool rallies).
The Asian TTU didn't mind showing some diversity in their selection, which is cool.



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ok then why were there no japanese in the recent world cup?
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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

You can easily find player entries for upcoming events on the ittf site. The Polish Open in less than 2 weeks will have like 10+ Japanese and 5+ Chinese players. 

That "boycott" story was just a baseless rumor posted here. And since people love drama...

As for Kamal Achanta in the Euro-Asia; it's an exhibition event and he's a good player who usually makes exciting games vs top players (like his match vs Ma Long).
The Asian TTU didn't mind showing some diversity in their selection, which is cool.



lol,
guess you didn't see all the news about boycott.
there is even one about Kasumi regreted not taking part in CTTSL, too bad politicians has more to say than players - that is sometimes just too cruel for hard working players
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I was talking about the supposed booster boycott. Not the China-Japan island issue which is what you're talking about.  

Do you think the Japanese players are playing unboosted, commercial Tenergy?




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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

I (as well as the two posters above me) were about the supposed booster boycott. Not the China-Japan island issue which is what you're talking about.  

Do you think the Japanese players are playing unboosted, commercial Tenergy?



oops fine then.
i'm spending so much time with development than oppose to forum chat, so had to browse quickly.
apologies for the error

but to answer your question, Its not about what I think
It should be able what has been shared on the news.
Now I also don't believe everything on the news, but if you think it is baseless information - then fine :)
You can ignore it and until other people talk about it, then you can pm me again
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ps.
I wasn't the first to talk about the boosting boycott in this forum.
Guess you can do a search :)
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I wasn't targeting you or anyone with my post, good heavens. It's not like I have a black book where I write "05/06/10 ZApenholder writes post about boosting boycott, must use this against him later."  

If some Japanese sports journalists thinks Japanese, Korean, European players are playing untuned , then... I don't know what to say to that. 



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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

I wasn't targeting you or anyone with my post if that's what you think. It's not like I have a black book where I write "05/06/10 ZApenholder writes post about boosting boycott, must use this against him later."

If some uninformed Japanese sports journalists thinks Japanese, Korean, European players are playing untuned , then... I don't know what to say to that. 



that is why I dont' believe in all the news content.
but such a news exist, and I thought the debate is about it existing or not.
not about the validity of the content

there is a lot of things in Japanese news media that I don't believe in :)
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Quote but to answer your question, Its not about what I think
It should be able what has been shared on the news.
Now I also don't believe everything on the news, but if you think it is baseless information - then fine :)
You can ignore it and until other people talk about it, then you can pm me again
 

Your post is a bit vague, ZApenholder :). Not sure what you're saying, do you mean the JTTA boycotted the World Cup because of boosters, even though they must surely know their own players use at least factory boosted rubber?

And now the JTTA has ceased this boycott? Seeing as they're sending players to the Polish Open.





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well, in all honesting I don't agree with a lot of things that is done by the Japanese politicians.
ie, nuclear plant - everything is under control........
until, it was too big to hide and no longer "under" control.
Japanese politicians has been like that 50 years ago, and still didn't change today.

So I understand what you are saying, but seem like you need to just listen and laugh it off - half the time about Japanese media
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:


but seem like you need to just listen and laugh it off - half the time about Japanese media

Um, that's what I've been saying all along. ;)



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Originally posted by Anderni Anderni wrote:

 
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:


but seem like you need to just listen and laugh it off - half the time about Japanese media

Um, that's what I've been saying all along. ;)



Well, the booster story/complaint is not baseless, it is true.
Now how or what the Japanese politicians are thinking - I dont' care and I don't need to know.

And infact Japanese media are saying China is going to cause TT to loose Olympic status in 2020 and all other finger pointing at China - after Japanese women secured silver from Olympic. The olympians - having Chinese coaches and practice partners...... so these politicians are just imo being sore losers and blaming China for everything.

Sharara also hinted that a lot of players was honest with him that they boosted.
Cut the long story short, there is so much nonsense going on and I don't care.

I admire Japanese Samuri spirit, but seems like there is more cowards "politicians" nowadays, and just like to win wars, especially with dirty tricks
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just stop making any assumption if you don't know it's the fact

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Originally posted by ocvillager ocvillager wrote:

just stop making any assumption if you don't know it's the fact



But if I have read or heard enough info, then it is not making assumption right?
Even though I don't agree to the facts, the facts is still there, than oppose to wild guess.

There is so much information that I have shared.
IE CNT coachs hiring meeting, which was few days ago - but postpone to Nov due to tight schedule and coaches not being able to come together.
Or CNT coach sharing that there will be a training center in UK
But seems like the West has not heard any of these yet....
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