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tommyzai 
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RUMOR!!! Many pros and advanced players are switching to Tibhar Evolution MX-P, claiming that is has more speed and spin than Tenergy, Rakza, etc, with better control and durability. Is this true? I bought a new sheet, but I'm not sure if I should use or sell.
Anyone try Evolution MX-P and can compare it to the other tensor, factory treated, new generation rubbers?
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im using right now and all i can say is that it's alright. i used bluefire before and still like bluefire better
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the_theologian
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Posted: 03/07/2014 at 2:49pm |
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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64949&title=mxp-vs-ov-tour-vs-jp01
and http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64388&title=bluefire-m1-vs-evolution-mxp-throw-angle
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carmelomaf
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Posted: 03/07/2014 at 2:55pm |
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Posted: 03/07/2014 at 3:22pm |
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H3 Nat. speed glued and Falco Long boosted....
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piligrim
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for price of H3 Nat+speed glue+Falco Long booster you can get 2 sheets of Tenergy. and no headache with re-gluing every week |
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You don't need to re-glue every week with Falco, more like once/twice a month.
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I think I said it before, MX-P is a pro rubber in my opinion. More precision and spin when you hit it right, and dips better when you hit hard over the table. But then again, less control vs other rubbers when you're not really catching it right (due to the hardness of the rubber), and you have to be committed to the stroke, not fumble about. Most other rubbers are more forgiving in that way.
Hard to get a clear answer I'm afraid.
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Who started the rumour Tommy? It wasn't Tibhar or one of their sponsored players, was it?
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Posted: 03/07/2014 at 10:01pm |
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Wow, you really don't read this forum, even your own threads. 
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Posted: 03/07/2014 at 11:26pm |
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Imago, kindly PM me. I don't appreciate this kind of public criticism. Thank you!!
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Having played with both, I have switched to Evolution MX-P.
MX-P is more controllable in the short game Lower throw, more controllable at mid-distance More spin on full strokes More linear than T05 Nearly half the price, but lasts 75% of T05 At my level and having to buy rubbers, MX-P is better than T05. At a still lower price point Bluefire JP01 is also good. |
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I second on Bluefire JP01 not on the pricing but on the characteristics of the rubber in comparison with T05. Having played both T05 for about a year in the past and now playing JP01 i really like JP01 for close to the table and mid distance drive/looping. Smashes on high ball feels really nice and is very effective however the best part about JP01 is it's short game receives over T05 ( perhaps Evolution also has similar characteristics since they are tensors of similar generations ) which is really amazing. Even though i liked the opening serves and rallying with T05 - at times due to the spring sponge it felt very non linear while the JP01 was more linear and easier to play without losing tremendous spin generation capacity with speed. Edited by right2niru - 03/08/2014 at 5:51am |
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 6:43am |
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Evolution mx-p has poor spin, poor speed, and poor control. Try jp01 for a serious rubber with similar properties to t05.
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seguso, I feel MXP is a speed monster which in my hands are as controllable if not more than Tenergy in the short game. What ruined it for me is the lack of spin and arc half assed strokes and flicks. Still great as a forehand rubber, especially if you have a big build, to unleash it's (full) potential. I switched to Tenergy due to the price I get it for, and the durability in mind, and also the fact that one doesnt need the power MXP gives.
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 8:38am |
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Pure FUD.
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 8:51am |
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I kindly suggest to respect this forum and use the Search function for "Evolution and Tenergy".
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 10:16am |
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I have PM'd you . . . and you should have PM'd me! Not cool! Yet, I think this thread is unique enough to live on . . . .
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Really? You must be in a ironical mood!. I've played with 2 sheets of it (about 7 months). Now I'm with Tenergy 05 for weight reasons. I feel that MX-P has better spin (assuming proper form in loops), much better speed and better control than T05. I find serving better as well. T05, IMHO, only performs better in half-assed strokes. MX-P is also better in serve receives and general directionality. In these properties mentioned, MX-P is a bit like a speed-glued H3 (but without that great feel) except in that for me, it is even more reliable in counterloop than T05. The only one thing I don't like about MX-P (and this is probably limitation in me & not the sheet) is that sometimes I loop and the ball does not get spun (possibly topsheet slippage when you try to engage sponge. In this, it is a bit like Rakza 7). Doesn't happen often though. Otherwise, it is a very high grip rubber. It is cheaper as well (you should be able to find it for less than $45 at most places). Edit: this is all assuming that it is used for FH
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Ok, I should have said relatively poor spin, speed and control. :)
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you all wrong. Joola Maxxx has better spin, speed and control than Tenergy and MX-P :)
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Now it's getting spicy. Bring on the passion. DEBATE!! These rubbers now cost more than a set a tires for my car . . . which one is best? If we are going broke to support our game, let's at least use the best stuff.
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you pay for your tires less than $60?? is it toy-car? Edited by piligrim - 03/08/2014 at 6:15pm |
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on stiff Off to Off+ blades T05 has more spin, on softer springier blades up to Off- MXP has very good spin...MXP needs to me tuned to get in the same spin category as T05
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Ok, my 2 cents: Used to love Bluefires, M2/3--thanks Tibi, you da man!--but found they went kind of dead when the booster effect wore off and when I tried to boost them w/paraffin oil, they went all mushy. So, I remortgaged my house and sold my soul to Tenergy 05 on me forehand. (I kept the M3 on the bh and it was ok but have switched recently to Rasant Powersponge bh and love it). Now I loved...ok, really liked...T05 for awhile but I found it great at certain things--counterloops, finishing points etc. and weak on others, serving, flips, over the table generally.
So, long story short, I just switched from T05 to Tibhar 5Q--05 worn out, couldn't afford a new sheet, clubmate had a cut but new 5Q and sold it to me for 20€--and I'm finding it much better overall than 05. More dip on the loops, more margin for error and just as fast. More lift on serves--better over the table generally--and better spin on your own serves. Tibhar is kicking serious ass lately and no nasty bankers chasing you around looking for loan repayments... AND loved it with the new plastic Palio ball which I tried the other night...a review to follow!
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Baal's Empirical Rule of 30. In any thread on a modern high performance rubber, 30% of comments will say it is faster (or spinnier or more controlled) than Tenergy. 30% of comments will say Tenergy is faster, etc. etc. And 30% will suggest a third option.
Baal's Corollary to the Rule of 30. The only way to know is to try it yourself. Baal's First Law. No table tennis subject can be exhausted with a single thread. Baal's Second Law. No single thread can stay limited to a single subject. Baal's Third Law. No emergent professional player can exist without a corresponding thread about what equipment they use. |
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Also, am using all of the above on TB ALC blade, which, again, I really, really like...but hate the thin handle!
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Love it, Baal! I'm a third option kind of guy, most deffo! ("Would you like juice or water w/your meal, sir?" "Umm, can I have beer?" "Juice or water, sir..."
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Well said, Baal!
Kevo, I was the top player at St. Pat's in Drumcondra . . . only player, actually. LOL Piligrim, you're misspelling your name. LOL Actually, I'm car-less and mooch rides off Tuco to the club in Phoenix.
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