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same spin, more control than bryce fx (unglued) |
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preemorack
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My 11 y.o. son plays with unglued Bryce FX on Timo Ball Spirit. He wants no less spin, maybe a little less speed but mostly he wants more control. We don't want to start speed glueing.
Had wondered about Joola Energy GP. Any thoughts on that or other recommendations? Playing style is close to the table looper, brush spin server.
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Playing with bryce fx on tbs is stupid. Go for a slower blade now and he could probably go back to the tbs, when he got more experienced. I would say.
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Thanks for the input but whether it is "stupid" is debatable - some of his peers are speed-glueing - he's certainly not playing with the fastest setup. As I was saying we were minded to switch to a slightly slower setup - hence the question about a spinny unglued rubber to go with TBS. |
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sriver is aways a great choice, especially for a 11 yr old. TBS is a fairly fast blade for him, so you can afford to have a little slower rubbers, like sriver, i would recomend 1.9 mm.
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And then you would have timo boll's exact setup
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preemorack
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thanks for the sriver suggestion - I take it you mean the normal sriver rather than sriver fx - I had wondered about sriver g2 fx - I was thinking that the FX versions might give more control.
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just go for something slow, most inverted rubbers out there will have more spin then bryce fx unglued. i'd say go with something slow and maybe alittle softer so more forgiving, if you are stuck with butterfly, sriver el 1.9 is great, as is the earlier suggestion of sriver 1.9. i found the el more forgiving though.
stiga has innova ultra light, go with 2.0 or soemthing, thats a very nice, light, great control rubber. |
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I have used Bryce and Bryce FX unglued before, and I find that Donic Desto F2 is better. Perhaps it would work for your son too.
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I am not surprised your son found spin lacking with the Bryce FX unglued. Without glue, there are many, many superior rubbers; Bryce needs glue to bring out its true class. I agree that a softer rubber like Sriver EL would probably work well. Sriver FX might be a little too soft for the fh.
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Even glued up Sriver is fairly slow. SO unglued you should have plently of contol. From experience the G2 version was not noticably spinnier from the normal variant.
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no, glued up sriver is up there with bryce imho, its one of hte faster rubbers out there. even sriver EL is plenty fast when you use glue.
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Timo boll uses 1.9?! I thought all good players use 2.1 +
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I think that Sriver is slower than the Hammond and even that was slow for punching. Let's see...I would consider Almana, Neos sound, fresh Bryce to be fast....maybe it was because my sheet of Sriver not being new, but it just seemed quite ordinary to me.
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the dude said that if he got sriver 1.9 on both sides and a timo boll spirit he would have the same exact setup as boll.
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I meant he would have the same blade + rubber lol. I didnt consider thickness, of course Timo uses MAX.
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unglued bryce fx and sriver is nothing special (master of none but jack of all trade), and sriver L or EL will allow your son to develop proper technic. once you used to sriver, hack, the top-end power and all-roundness of the rubber is still hard to beat, especially with Jpen.
on a shakehand, I can tailor my BH and FH rubber separetely, so not much problem. other classic to considered will included Mark V and JO waldner. both have softer topsheet(and/or sponge) for better control compared to sriver's kinda hard feel (the sponge will soften with time into something really amazing though, so I kinda glued them up initially and every once in a while until I like it unglued). both of these would be better fot looping and serve than sriver!!! (BUT I DO NOT OWN A TBS, so have no idea how if feels with JO and Mark V) You may need to look into it. |
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sriver g2 fx is a good looping rubber and has excellent control it is very soft so it will generate good spin.sriver fx or el might work .as well as mark v if you can find it ,mendo mp is an excellent choice or checkout dawei inspirit it plays nice without glue and is a lot cheaper than the above.
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tbs is not really a fast blade. sriver is the best choice.
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F3, a lot of the juniors are using that now.
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Thanks to all for those replies - I think I'm leaning towards sriver g2 fx. Some of the discussion (naturally enough) seems to be based on the assumption of using glue - which is not my focus. I gather that people say that the bryce topsheet has a "grippy" quality which seems useful for maximising spin on serves. I'd like a replacement that was at least as good as Bryce fx unglued in that respect. Any thoughts on a grippy rubber to be used unglued on a TBS.
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Hey preemorack, try the Plasma 380 or 430. They need no speed glue and have great spin and control.
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Thanks Visse, I had wondered about Plasma 430. Would you expect that to have more control (and how about speed and spin) in comparison to Bryce fx unglued? |
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yeah i thought Timo uses max on both sides.... ^o)
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I havent used Bryce FX. I like plasma 430, its soft for good control, but because of the built in speed glue effect, has excellent spin and speed for topspins. I really like the dwell that I can feel with it. Also, no gluing! and it is made in Germany, better than Japanese.
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well ofcourse oyu need ot atleast try sriverG2 it has mroe spin and less speed |
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for foregand, maybe try the chinese rubbers like DHS Hurricane series or Globe 999? If u dun wanna consider chinese rubbers, then id say try the Donic Desto Series.
I have been using H3 for quite some time on my forehand. And I have switched to other rubbers but I found I liked H3 more. Yes its slower than most rubbers, but I like to make use of the spin. Speed you can easily made when you have the proper technique. And when you have spin + spped, it equals to explosive power :P lol
I havnt tried the Globe 999s tho :( but I heard its good for beginnings. More control as well, I believe? i dunno someone correct me on this.
And as for Donic Desto series. I have only used the F1s and its fast. I started F1 with a slow wood blade and I found it fast. Later, I put it on my KLH SP. and its even faster! my gosh -_- and I find the control is there as well!
Hehe, currently my setup is KLH Sp blade with H3 forehand ad either F1 or Hammond backhand.
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DHS hurricane and Globe are just too heavy for a 11 yrold. Besides, these rubber dont have much speed unless you use lots of speed glue on them. For more spin, less speed and more control compared to Bryce Fx, maybe you can try out the Sriver G2 FX. However the feel is different, Sriver G2FX has higher throw than Bryce FX. There is another althernative, which is the Dawei Saviga... although does not plays the same with Bryce FX but it is quite close, it is slower. Saviga is also very light, very suitable for an 11 yrold and very cheap
So my choice would be...
1. Dawei Saviga 2.1
2. Sriver G2FX 2.1
3. Bryce FX 2.1
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honestly so yourself a favour and go with sriver or sriver el, they are great beginner all around rubbers that will allow him to develop a consistent all around game. Sriver G2 FX and Bryce, hurricane, etc. are all too fast. if not sriver then i would highly recomend innova.
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A local coach's nine year old daughter uses H3 both sides. Please tell me the average eleven year old boy is stronger than a nine year old girl.
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