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O! Ju Qian
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I would like to thank people who shared their thoughts about this topic.
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reachie85
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naw, y'all suck! heavy blades rule!
lol, i just playin'. really, what it comes down to is finding the right blade for yourself. which ever kind of blade, be it light or heavy, makes you win points the most is the right blade for you. |
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TT_Freak
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Up to a certain headspeed you lose control and the timing becomes too tricky, plus there is neglible difference between a 100g blade and 80g blade where arm speed is concerned. There is a trend where less experienced players will love light blades, where as players with more than 10 years playing time love heavy blades.
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alphapong
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Wrong once again. It was your assertion that you weighed ONE Korbel. I stated that I have sold and weighed many.
I simply posted a photo of a couple blades on the scale to establish that I am not simply pulling these figures out of my rear to try to prove my point as I suspect you are. And now you want us to believe that Clipper Classic with a spec'd weight of 95g is really a light blade as well? So I guess it's a conspiracy then is it? I have teamed up with the manufactures and distributors to misrepresent the weights of the previously mentioned blades. Heavy blades are now so popular that the weights of light blades must be fudged so as to appear heavier than they really are? Your statements not only contradict my experience, but the published specs, and common knowledge. With each post on this topic you make yourself look more silly. What facts can you make up next to try to prove your point?
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silvalis
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I must have hit a nerve to deserve that pic... Why would you think that I've been pulling these figures out of nowhere? Just because someone else has differing experience to yours doesn't mean you are correct. I've used many blades and have dealt with multiple blades of the same type many times. I'm a bit of a blade nuts and measure and weigh every single blade that comes through my hands. If you don't want to accept that, don't be an arse about it and just accept someone else's view. Look, i accept that you have heavier blades. But that doesn't mean that all OCs are that heavy or that the average mass is 89 or whatever. I happen to have here a 67g OC CR non WRB penhold. Give us a typical weight spread of the OCs you have in stock. You're taking this very poorly for a dealer, resorting to insults. One would think you have something to hide... |
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Peter C
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I used a Stiga Offensive Wood with 1.5mm Mark V, when I was playing Table Tennis as a teenager and the blade was heavy. I developed my game from that base and learnt to play a good short game, whilst hitting with power from mid distance. i.e. I was using a heavier set up when developing a varied game.
I naturally prefer using blades around 82-92 grams because they allow me to play my natural game. My power comes from the mass of a heavier set up, the velocity of my swing and the strength and technique developed from using a heavier set up. My swing doesn't change with a lighter set up, but I do play a closer to the table game. With lighter blades, I prefer to use tension rubbers, but I notice I play more consistently with a heavier set up, which bears out the point above that you make more mistakes when trying to hit harder and faster with power on lighter set ups. I also find I have more varied game with the heavier set up because it has more gears for me. Other players who play close to the table may disagree with me, but that's my experience. Lighter set ups for me are more suited to close to the table players, also mentioned above. |
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silvalis
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Here's something else to consider - can heavy rubbers make up for a light blade (and stabilize a loop or whatever)?
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TT_Freak
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Final mass is whats important, so having Chinese rubbers or lead tape will help tweak the way it plays.
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Violin
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O! Ju Qian
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hmmmm, 67g for an OC seems rather farfetched. I don't think anywhere in the market would go that low. Well, i prefer heavier rubbers even if i had a heavier blade.
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O! Ju Qian
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I think the weight of rubbers is a different story. Now, you are speaking about making your loops stable, it is said that HEAVIER WEIGHT BLADES:( over 90 grams) are often more stable when hit off center and once accelerated, produce a higher speed to spin ratio for topspin attacking shots. I got it from this website http://www.gotabletennis.com/Blades_s/2.htm who was designed with the help of a professional player (Heather Wang). |
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O! Ju Qian
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I was wondering why Silvalis would be asking that question. Did you feel that you needed some weight in your racquet? Or are you simply raising questions for us to ponder about?
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O! Ju Qian
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Heh, is there something you want to share fatcomet? |
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todays been a rough day for him... arguments to lose, forums to close, rages to sook, an heroes to make
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Just to set a few things straight, both mass and velocity are EQUALLY important in determining momentum.
The difference in the max speed a person can swing a 200 gram vs a 250 gram bat is probably the none. (relatively small amount of weight compared to the weight of our arm) If we were talking about blades that differed by more 300 grams maybe there would be a difference in the max speed a person could generate.
However, changing direction (acceleration) is slightly more difficult with the heavier blade. Which gives us the feeling of more or less speed. i.e. easier to move from back hand to for hand, start stroke, timing, etc.
So those with very short strokes may find that a light blade is faster to them because they are able to get it up to max speed in time to hit the ball, where if they were using a heavy blade they would still be trying to accelerate.
Those with longer stroke will always find heavier blades faster (provided same hardness, etc.) as they have plenty of time to accelerate the blade to max speed.
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creeder06
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i love the amount of hear say wang liqin uses a heavy blade so&so uses a light blade does anyone actually know or does every one just guess i bet if you wieghed pro blades they would fall in line with what we all play with a average of 84-87 with a few exceptions on both sides
i personally have had both light and heavy blade i like blades in the 85-90 range for a while i thought that lighter was better till i found i never had any control or touch and by uping the wieght just a touch i gained some touch and control
no i dont think that heavy rubbers balance out a light blade i think it throws the balance off even more to answer you question silv
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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7homuz
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haha yeah, i was kinda wondering that too... i was like... wtf... first argue what blades pros use... and now arguing what the weights of their blades are?!?! =O
anyway, my blades 79g, but both rubbers are 55 grams cut with once 2 layers of glue on it. (999/saviga and cj8000). i used to play with much lighter rubbers i.e. innova and sriver el, i can only truly tell the diffnce in weight when i am playing multiball or drills though. |
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O! Ju Qian
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we were guessing what the pros were using, but the main point of this topic is to discuss about the weight of your blade. You think wang liqin would play with a light setup? I doubt he does.
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7homuz
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yeah, but you dont know for sure. so i dont really think its appropriate to use that as an example or fact. i'm not saying anyone in specific did that (cuz i'm too lazy to go back and check every post) but just pointing it out if you dont know something for sure, its better to make clear that its a guess.
i doubt he use light blades too btw =P |
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O! Ju Qian
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no one actually said what wang liqin uses for sure. i was just making a bad guess or example, so it's more like "what if" sort of thing or "i bet." man, if i was saying stuff like "i know what wang liqin" uses, then people are going to get nasty on me cause I know for sure i have no prove, and i would not bother making any excuses. i am pretty sure no one thought the wrong way, so they just ignored what i said and continued to share their thoughts about this.
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O! Ju Qian
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It's funny cause people would reply to you in a friendlier way if you are just innocently implying. Or, they will find you rather silly (but not to say that you are stupid) about what you're saying. Hey 7homuz, are you playing penhold or shakehand?
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7homuz
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lol, thats why i said i'm not saying anyone did that specifically xD i left myself a back road today (smart for once?) anyway, i do agree with you though, i belive his racket is a pretty heavy setup too.
shakehand, why do you ask? |
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Messerschmitt
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I was obsessed with finding the lightest blade. I found out that andro sold a carbon blade that weighed 71 grams. When I got mine I weighed it and it was 67grams!! It was fun for a little while but the lightness of the blade did affect my strokes. Also, the ball contact was very strange. I would say that I didn't get very much spin or speed with the light blade. My strokes were lightning fast but the ball usually had weak power.
I have also used an old 7ply Chinese blade that weighed over 100 grams. Doing multi-ball with that blade was very exhausting. Since it was an old Chinese blade it was fast but not enough to justify the super heaviness of it.
Right now I use the Timo Boll spark which is about 90 grams and I think that weight is good. I can fell the contact and I can create decent speed and spin.
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O! Ju Qian
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nice that some people play in the 90g range. 7homuz, i was just curious.
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TT_Freak
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Typically people who use two rubbers play in the 90-100g range because the rubbers help make up for lost mass. But old school pips out players would go around with blades in the 120-50g range.
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thanks to sh*tty internet arguments like this, that i have learned not to bother with....i sleep better at night...
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From Danny Seemiller's book, " Winning Table Tennis", in the chapter title "Choosing the Right Equipment":
Blade Weight
Blade weight is a combination of the size of the blade, its thickness, its material, and the density of the material. In general, the lighter the blade, the easier its mobility and the greater the velocity of the paddle on contact. Such blades are ideal for hitters who play up at the table and need to move quickly and decisively. In contrast, a heavier blade allows more dynamic topsin on loops, more stability on blocks, and usually greater speed on the ball. (A heavier blade swung at the same velocity as a lighter one transfers more energy at contact.) We recommend you use as heavy a blade as is comfortable. Remember, however, that the type and thickness of the rubber you choose, along with a blade will dramatically affect the overall weight of the paddle.
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Timd
I agree with Danny Seemiller, thats good advice. |
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O! Ju Qian
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Nice explanation timd. I wonder if some people have a change of thought cause I do completely now. So, lighter blades are usually used by hitters and maybe counter attackers right?
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wow jc still hanging around havent seen you post anywhere in a while. i thought you had given all this up for green grass some where else
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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