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    Posted: 08/05/2007 at 2:52am
For anyone that might be interested, a friend (LawOCG, known as 'penguin' on this forum) and myself wrote a gluing guide, particularly on how to prime to get the most out of your rubbers. The article is here:

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Result have been quite impressive. Any comments very much appreciated.
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Haggisv and penguin. Thanks a mill. Your contribution to the forum is ,as always, priceless.
I'm just curious about the fact you didn't mention EEII. Is that on purpose or do you undertake it's been discussed many times before...??
Also, would do recommend any of your gluing technics to the tensor type rubbers ?
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Thanks you jcdi, although penguin deserves more of the credit for this guide than I do.

We've been treating the EEII as a seperate case, but I'm sure it could easily be combined or made part of this procedure. As you're probably aware, the EEII enhances speed glue effect as well as expanding the sponge, so it could perhaps be used as an alternative to some of the steps used in the Super Priming. Similarly I've been looking at the Falco glue. These are both discussed in details on the same site and forum.

I'm sure priming enhances the tensor type rubbers too, but great care needs to be taken not to stretch the sheets too much. I have no doubt that a few layers of glue enhances every rubber's performance.
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Hey Haggisv, one quetion: why dont you need varnish for hinoki?

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Generally hinoki is quite a physically tough wood (in terms of TT). Its fibers are quite condensed and there are no gaps. Hinoki is much less prone to splintering and rarely ever does it need sealing.

The only time I would recommend sealing it is when the Hinoki ply is extremely thin. Eg on some galaxy blades especially the T series, it can be quite thin. So its better to take a precaution with those and seal them.
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A very detailed and very interesting guide.
 
I wonder glass plating a pips rubber, will it work?

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For long pips it will have an effect, but it's nowhere as significant as for an inverted rubber, coz the sponge is just too thin. I speed glued my long pips before, but did not see any significant benefit....

For short pips it should work fine...
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I use a small glass plate to cover the rubber with speed glue. In addition, I also use a one-gallon zip bag to complete seal the glass plate with the rubber on it for about 10 minutes. It traps all the VOC inside for maximum effect in a single layer.

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Yes that is an effective way of speed gluing, but the method described here is for treating a rubber to give it a 'permanent' effect.
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I'd be careful with such a guide haggisv. What you're basically doing is glueing the heck out of the sponge and thus effectively destroying some of it.
This may be good for *some* hard sponges, but it surely isn't good for a plasma ....
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TongueAnyway it's prolly not a good idea to muck around with plasma, bryce and F1.
 
Better of using it on the harder sponged rubbers

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Originally posted by YATTP YATTP wrote:

I'd be careful with such a guide haggisv. What you're basically doing is glueing the heck out of the sponge and thus effectively destroying some of it.
This may be good for *some* hard sponges, but it surely isn't good for a plasma ....


Yes I totally agree it's not to be used on a tensor type rubber like Plasma, I sort of assumed that people know this, but it's probably worth pointing out in the guide I guess.

It is most beneficial for chinese style rubbers as they are often harder abd stiffer, especially straight out of the packet.

Thanks for the feedback!

EDIT: I've added a warning in the article.
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