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tommyzai 
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 12:57am |
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I tried Dr.Neubauer Domination, and found out the best control rubber I have ever used. I think it is a Euro rubber. I have tried Joola Drum CWX - like that too. I'm not that satisfied by Butterfly. I have ordered a custom Chinese rubber from Coles which I have to try and find out.
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 3:00am |
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jo waldner, very safe
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 4:47am |
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 8:10am |
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geo spin tacky is VERY good, 1.5mm i can control my fh shots, very good for blocking, but u need active movement in the block or counter, unlike say bryce, where u just stick ur bat out and the ball jumps.
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Posted: 09/24/2007 at 3:05pm |
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for forehand or backhand?
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O! Ju Qian
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Posted: 09/24/2007 at 3:25pm |
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999 has more control than H3 for sure
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Posted: 09/24/2007 at 3:31pm |
I agree, but this is my opinion on it.
Also if never, try a: Reactor Corbor or Reactor Novar (both are lighter than H3 and both have better control, maybe even 999 but...)
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debraj
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Posted: 09/24/2007 at 3:40pm |
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Control? That would be my favorite chinese rubber ... lkt torrent egs.
Predictable, accurate, forgiving. you can hit any spot on the board :)
it's not a speed demon, among the offensive rubbers... so you need a off or off+ blade.
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Jack87
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Posted: 09/24/2007 at 6:49pm |
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It would be good to know what you're looking for -- if you're looking to control loop, block, chop, etc... -- because I'd recommend 3 different things. This coming from you, Tzai, of course, I have no idea For my 2c worth, on the low-priced end, I'd recommend RITC 2000 -- for a defender -- on a 1.2 (classical), 1.5 (allaround), or 1.8 (modern) soft cannon from Cole, only a touch over $10.
For pure control, money being no problem (and this being you, Tzai, it's more about how many different kinds you will buy, not whether you'll buy anything
 ) I'd have to say Bfly Tackiness Chop I; yes Tackchop one, I realize it's a touch slow for the modern game, but it's ridiculously good for chops (even in thicker sponges), serves, pushes, and control / sidespin loops. I'm currently using it, recently having moved up from 1.7mm to 1.9mm to add a little punch to hits and loops, and so far I haven't seen a downside except in situations where I'm really loading up the backspin.Tango Defensive also comes to mind from a defensive viewpoint
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Posted: 09/24/2007 at 6:52pm |
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If you are good enough and get used to a rubber you can have good control with almost any rubber. It is just what you are used to. Saying a rubber has poor control is just like a bad workman blaming his tools. If you change your rubber and your new one has 'poor control', it just means the rubber is significantly different to your previous one and makes the ball go in an unexpected way. To all those people with rubbers with 'poor control' I say get some practice with your rubber.
In answer to the question, the best control rubber is whichever one I have been practicing and playing with for the last couple of weeks. Currently Transcend SP on the forehand and God Favored SP on the backhand.
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Posted: 09/24/2007 at 9:46pm |
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Well, on the flip side, there are rubbers that are rubbish, with a compareable sheet having better speed, control, spin, etc. I can think of a sheet of commercial H2 I got that was like hitting with sticky concrete, and what some of the other posters have mentioned with various bomb rubber (IE: mechanical rubber with a rock hard sponge).
I'd say that if you took 1000 players and gave them tackiness chop 1, 1.5mm on one side, and max bryce hard on the other, I'd have a pretty good idea as to how many would say the tackchop has better control.
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 1:59am |
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If you gave the top 1000 players in the world that combo and said this is what you must play with, within a few weeks, 99% would be able to put the ball wherever they wanted with either side without moaning about the control. Most people need to stop moaning about their rubbers and before changing, take the time to understand the one they have.
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 3:34am |
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My definition of the control of a rubber is this:-
If you hit the ball in the same place on the rubber, at the same speed, with the same incoming spin and speed on the ball, the ball should go to pretty much the same place every time.
The problem people have is determining what errors are the fault of the rubber and what are human error. I would say that 99% of what people put down to a lack of rubber control are down to human error. Problems like:-
Not hitting the sweet spot correctly.
Misreading incoming spin.
Trying someone elses bat and it not behaving like yours so it has bad control.
There are rubbers (and blades) which are better at compensating for these human errors, but as you improve and understand your rubber better, your errors should become less and you will feel more confident with your rubber.
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 5:16pm |
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i disagree with Juan.
talking in context of attacking game (not defence)...
Certain rubbers give lesser margin of errors due to their very short dwell time.. mostly due to hard sponge. [even more if you have a very thin but very spinny topsheet.].
[that's why there are things as beginner rubbers or beginner blade ....and we don't ask newbees to use bryce on schlager carbon...]
On contrary softer sponges that allow the ball to dig and dwell for a few more micro-second, allow the player to set his direction more accurately. That is why everyone is after making soft sponges with better response ... than just using hard sponge for speed.
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 6:09pm |
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If Ma Lin used a sportscraft combo I would get more points off him, assuming I got any. :-). Gear does matter.
Would Babe Ruth hit 714 home runs using a whiffle ball bat? Would Michael Jordan score a million points wearing an astronaut suit and moonwalk boots? Would Tommy Zai have so many girlfriend's if he wore his underwear on his head? |
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 6:31pm |
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You are right, gear does matter if you are going to swap someones bat for a premade one. Good illustration, well done. I don't think anyone was suggesting we should swap pro bats for premades.
Debraj, how much of an adjustment can you make in a few microseconds. How quick are your reactions? You are much more likely to adjust the next time you play a similar shot. I can adjust just as well for the next shot if the ball spends less time on the bat.
As I have said before, you eliminate all so called 'control issues' if you know how your bat behaves in various situations, you practice your shots and you consistently find the sweet spot. It isn't rocket science.
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 6:40pm |
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Juan ... allow me to differ again.
People go crazy about glue sound just because it allows them a reassuring adjustment while looping. our reflexes do work in funny way .... and those few miroseconds help me a lot in improving my game..
you are right. anytime i switch i will have to make adjustments in first few days... but your equipment does have a role to play on where you stabilize
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 6:44pm |
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Whether your equipment suits your style is different to it having good or bad control.
People like to think they can adjust due to the feel. They can't.
You have your opinion, I have mine, I can't see much point arguing about it. It's late, I'm off to bed.
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 6:52pm |
a little dramatic id say....=]
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 7:20pm |
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Juan, you make good points about technique and compensating for weak technique with "special" gear is the last resort. Antispin and long pips users are often accused of adopting this crutch; however, if that is so, then we need to list speed glue and other speed enhancers. Bottom line . . . techique is #1, but matching the right gear with the right player/style is #2. This is my humble opinion. I often bring a few setups with me to matches. Last week I played three matches with three different rubbers (same blades) and the results were very different. I realize there are many variables, but some rubbers are easy and some are difficult for me regardless of my ability or inability to handle incoming spin.
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 7:23pm |
no mate people go crazy about glue sound because it sounds like they are the big dogs
 miroseconds help you?........you have lost the plot.
Equipment matters and I will tell you how to go about getting a setup that suits YOU,play a player 300 points higher rated than you and find a setup that will keep you in a rally just a couple extra shots more,thus making it harder for him to win the points.Because he IS gonna win the points.
When you find that setup you can get a few extra shots in a rally then that's the setup for you
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 7:30pm |
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thanks alfie .. i wish it worked for me ... but i don't rally at all :(
I am always after opponents third ball... ;)
and if he doesn't give me one .. :( .... i lose
are you from australia...mate ?
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Posted: 09/25/2007 at 11:10pm |
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I recon you get a practice partner (that can return balls) and instead of doing drills just serve long topsing serves,it will open it up straight away and you will get much better at rallying changing from BH to FH. That way when playing players that block your 3rd balls you will be betters equipped to handle what comes back to you
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The best controlled rubber ever.
I am an artistic character, looking always to feint people out of their boots. I need a rubber with a huge amount of control. I have now got one, this is  So happy about this. It plays much like an eating spoon, placement of the ball and accuracy superior. |
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The best controlled rubber ever.
I am an artistic character, looking always to feint people out of their boots. I need a rubber with a huge amount of control. I have now got one, Sponge amasingly subtle of 30* hardness. So happy about this. It plays much like an eating spoon, placement of the ball and accuracy superior. |
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Posted: 09/27/2015 at 1:42am |
 How do you even find threads from 2007?
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Whoever is behind the igorponger caricature should be exposed.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Agreed. It's been silly for a LONG time |
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+1. Let's get some pitchforks and torches, and get to the bottom of this.
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