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loopy 
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What are the positives/negetives of long pips with or without sponge?
Looking to experiment on BH side in the future.
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Posted: 09/22/2007 at 11:33pm |
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In general, Long Pips OX (no spong) have more FX, while LP on sponge tend to hit better.
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Posted: 09/22/2007 at 11:50pm |
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So a happy medium would be a thin sponge? .5 to 1.0 maybe. |
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 12:05am |
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If you want to experiment any long pips rubbers, I have some cut and used.
The long pips having no sponge has high spin response to the opponents spin. The passive blockers use pips without any sponge. The modern defenders go for LP with sponge between 0.5 to 1.1 mm. In my opinion, you have to choose 0.5 or 1.1 based on the speed and control of the blade. If you dont defend, and attack with LP, then the 1.1 mm is the best choice. Butterfly has a Feint Long AG with 1.7 mm is good for hitters.
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 12:11am |
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I would have ot classify myself as a hitter, looking to learn to defend better, and I am having a little trouble with very heavy underspin close to the table.
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 12:12am |
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I used a Kokutaku LP/OX for a couple hours today. If I passively blocked the ball either hit the net or floated off the table. I found I needed to either flip or chop. One thing I don't like about OX . . . the sound gives the shot away. Its so distinct that your oponent could be blind and know what's coming. I'm thinking about going with .6mm to soften the noise and add some attacking power.
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 12:13am |
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 12:14am |
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 12:53am |
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You need to loop the underspin ball. You can create a low arc loop for the heavy underspin ball. Dont try to find a rubber which can cover your weekness. I loop with both LP and inverted rubber irrespective of the amout of underspin - does not mean I don't make any mistakes. If you are a hitter, try to practice hitting the balls on the rise or at peak - the heavy underspin will not effect you much. |
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 8:08pm |
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Generally long pips without sponge are better for blockers, since they are slower and offer more spin reversal. For choppers a thin sponge gives a bit more dwell time and offers more opportunity to manipulate the spin.
As usually there are expception to the rule.... I personally prefer a thin sponge ~0.5mm as a good comprimise....
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 8:23pm |
Personally i would choose either OX or 1.0sponge.
The former for near table, the latter..far off.
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Posted: 09/23/2007 at 8:41pm |
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Yes, it's up to personal preferance, and the type of long pimple rubber makes quite a difference too. |
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