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gurovski 
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 Topic: vladimir samsonov vs timmo bollPosted: 12/31/2007 at 12:06pm |
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i think vladimir samsonov is old and his time is gone
timo boll is better than him .
i want to listen your thinking
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JimT
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 12:30pm |
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Vladi is not that old - he is younger than Schlager was when he won 2003 WTTC. He is also definitely more gifted than Timo. I have watched many matches they both played, and Vladi is more diverse. He might be a less all-out offensive player than Timo but that certainly doesn't mean he is a worse player... I think you might have been overly impressed with the attacking side of the game. It reminds me of people who like to put down Waldner as "a blocker" - they mean that JO didn't attack as much as other guys but used his superb blocking and counterattacks instead. All I could say there was "wow, what a strange narrow-minded way of looking at table tennis"...
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unisonus
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 1:54pm |
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Gurovski,
Not all players age quickly. Those "control players" who depend on tactics and ball placement peak slowly. Samsonov is one of those players. Timo Boll, on the other hand, is an aggressive player who relies on physical prowess (though he's by no means a dummy). As he ages he gets slower. His main advantage disappears. If I had to bet on the long term, I'd go with Samsonov. |
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hubie60
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 3:52pm |
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Interestingly, Timo seems to beat Vladi more often than the other way around, while Vladi has slightly better results in the Worlds/OG with his silver from 1997.
Both have been World number 1 and European and World Cup Champ. Vladi is 31, a year older than Schlager in 2003, but his touch and all round play seems undimished.
In addition to owing more to athleticism, Timo plays off the table more and probably gets more help from glue. This makes me interested to know how much the glue ban will affect him relative to Vladi who generally plays closer to the table.
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sprite
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 4:49pm |
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To say that Valdi is done is to overlook he recent success, he has been doing better against the Chinese players than he has since '97 or so, and he has done at least as well against the field as Boll recently while doing better against the Chinese than Boll. It might be said that Valdi is only doing well against Wang Hao, which is a good style match up for Valdi, and against Liqin who is working on changing his game right now. But, doing well is doing well. What is Boll doing with these guys?
Valdis' performance is at a high level more consistently than Boll; with Boll you never know who he will lose to in what stage of a tourny, though some of this may be attributed to Bolls' frequent injuries it certainly is a factor to be considered when opining as to who the better player is. Samsonov has trouble with the really quick players, but has been doing better lately, hence his recent good showings against the Chinese and Boll. I believe Valdi has a one win advantage over Boll in pro tour events with his most win making the difference. Seems to me it is an odd time to declare that Samis' time is past and that Boll is a better player. |
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hubie60
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 7:42pm |
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Timo is 2-1 over Vladi in 2007 ITTF events and took Vladi to win the EuroChamps MS as well.
2007 ITTF event results
Vladi 1-0 over Wang Liqin, 0-1 to Wang Hao, 0-3 to Ma Lin, 6, 1-1 with Ma Long
He hasn't played Chen Qi in an ITTF 2007 but defeated him in 2006.
Timo 0-1 to Wang Liqin, 0-2 to Ma Lin, 0-1 to Chen Qi, 0-2 to Ma Long.
There isn't much difference there but it seems that on 2007 results against the Chinese, Vladi has a little edge.
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varghesep
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 7:51pm |
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Samsonov is a very controlled ball pracement player. I don't think age matters in table tennis as long as you can keep away from injuries.
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theman
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 7:54pm |
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give it 6 yrs lol, by that time wang hao will retire lol
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sprite
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 10:38pm |
Valdi is 0-2 to Wang Hao in '07 in ittf events, full 7 games both times. |
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theman
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Posted: 12/31/2007 at 10:49pm |
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boll cant do that, full 7 games distance i mean.
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Posted: 01/01/2008 at 2:21am |
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I think the Chinese are figuring out Boll. Samsonov is a great control player who will get the best of you eventually. I think walls are the hardest people to play against because they control every bit of the tempo of the game. |
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rustyfo
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Posted: 01/01/2008 at 11:41am |
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the Chinese have figured out Boll ages ago.
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iakovka
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Posted: 01/02/2008 at 11:29am |
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Samsonov - Very clever game
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JimT
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Posted: 01/02/2008 at 12:52pm |
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In the last couple of years, have Timo won any games against top ten chinese players?
And I agree, once his boyish charm and speed fade with age, he will slip down the ratings... considerably. That's what (unfortunately) happened with Schlager, Gatien - once their physical form started to deteriorate, they cannot play at the same level... and look at Waldner, his style is still keeping him in the Top 50, not to mention his performance at Olympic Games 2004 when he was 39... |
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Posted: 01/03/2008 at 7:33am |
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the SWEDE HAS RETIRED AND HAS YET TO DROP OUT OF TOP 50!!!! AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
the SWEDISH GOD LIVES ON!!!!!! |
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gurovski
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Posted: 01/03/2008 at 8:31am |
what is so funny about that? |
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Posted: 01/03/2008 at 8:39am |
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YEA I KNOW WHATS SO FUNNY?!?!?!??!
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I DONT UNDERSTAND EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 01/03/2008 at 3:40pm |
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takaaki
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Posted: 01/04/2008 at 10:54am |
yeah, but i think in their last 6 matches against each other, it's 3-3. samsonov beat boll in the euro top-12 and in the world cup last year.
but boll wasn't a 100% and so, you get the sense that if he's on, he's gonna beat vladi every time. they've played each other too much and boll just knows exactly how to set samsonov up and put him away. but if boll is just a little off, then samsonov will win.
also, i notice that vladi has a problem with boll's inside-out forehand from the backhand side. whenever boll jumps out and hits that one, vladi either misses it or throws up an easy ball that boll can then kill.
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