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    Posted: 03/22/2008 at 7:43pm
Quick question for all the scientists out there.

We all know that varnish changes the property of a blade but is there any chemical out there that would slow the blade down.

For example im really looking to slow the backhand side of a blade down.

I know the obvious answer is try differant rubbers but im only looking for to slow the blade properties down.

Any ideas?
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Maybe sandpaper?
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with the speed glue ban, could we develop chemicals to treat the outer ply of the blade, giving the actual wood a speed glue effect?
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Sealing the blade with many layers would slow the blade down
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Why not just get a thinner sponge
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Originally posted by tdragon tdragon wrote:

Sealing the blade with many layers would slow the blade down
 
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Sealing makes the surface harder and speeds it up.
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use a slow rubber, that's probably the most efficient solution
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Don't do anything to the blade unless you don't care about it and are ready to throw it away. I think especially sandpaper is a bad idea since it is irreversible.
Your "obvious" answer is the correct answer.
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Use water based glue that should slowed a blade down.
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Originally posted by chronos chronos wrote:

with the speed glue ban, could we develop chemicals to treat the outer ply of the blade, giving the actual wood a speed glue effect?
let's be very careful: that pattern leads to tennagers sniffing chemicals and playing with steroids. outter plies, inner plies, core, wrist, shoulder etc...
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i think it might be interesting to try a thin coat of liquid rubber on the blade,but it is an expensive experiment especially if it dosn`t work
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Sand away the top ply and replace it with a slow softer wood.
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Cutting the head down of the blade, just slightly would change the feels and speed... also sanding the top ply of the side you want to slow down would also change the properties of the blade...

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Originally posted by nb60907 nb60907 wrote:

Quick question for all the scientists out there.We all know that varnish changes the property of a blade but is there any chemical out there that would slow the blade down.For example im really looking to slow the backhand side of a blade down.I know the obvious answer is try differant rubbers but im only looking for to slow the blade properties down.Any ideas?


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Thank you for the suggestions all. Think I might try and sand the backhand layer down a bit.
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yes you should really try a slower rubber.
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let us know how it goes?

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What blade are you doing this to?  It may be easier to sell it and look into combination blades........... I used a combo blade with inverted on both sides at one point. 

If you have a blade that happens to have a thicker, soft outer ply and a harder 2nd ply or core, sanding the soft outer ply down will actually speed the blade up on that side and make the faster ply more prominent.
 
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I have a huge selection of blades, I started playing at the age of 13 and made national squad playing a normal shakehand game and then give up at 16 from the pressure of trying to get a good education at the same time.

I started again at the age of 24 playing this way but recently changed to a combination bat with long pips on the backhand. My standard is still not to bad as I play county / State level.

I have 3 defensive blades so far, Koji pro, chen weixing and Hallmark Aura. The hallmark aura has the slowest backhand side but I would like it slower as I can still not chop as hard as i want to with out the ball flying 10 feet past the table :D

Hence why I am trying to slow it right down. The rubbers I have are TSP p1-r 1.3 and Joola octupus 0.5. I know I will be fine with training and I train alot but I really know what I want and its to get a even slower backhand setup.

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Of course the obvious answer would be using a slower rubber. I'm not sure varnish/sanding the blade would slow down the blade. You might risk ruining the blade. If you would like a slower backand without changing the rubber, I think it is better for you (if you have some extra cash) to purchase one of those combo blades (OFF/DEF, ALL+/ALL-, etc..) from Hallmark or DrNeubauer.
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I don't know if this is illegal or just plain stupid, but how about adding tennis lead tape to the outer rim of the blade and covering it with edge tape?
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You might just want to wait around and see what's allowed after the ban... Some of the new one's coming out from TT-master and Dr. Noob are rated very slow

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Originally posted by liondefence liondefence wrote:

I don't know if this is illegal or just plain stupid, but how about adding tennis lead tape to the outer rim of the blade and covering it with edge tape?


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For the OP, use either thinner sponge or get the version of rubber in the same series but with softer sponge.  If necessary, use the softer version and thinner.  This way you retain the same properties of the topsheet.

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If you sanding the side you want to slow down, you change also the properties of the other side...! This is a really difficult work for someone without any experience! My suggestions is to try a hybrid blade with to different outer plys.

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I wouldn't sand it. The Hallmark Aurora is already a comination blade-for those of you who don't know. In this case I agree with using slower rubber on the bh (OX may be?). May be you should also look into changing or improving your techniques as well.
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To late, sanded it down last night.

Going to try it against my robot in a bit.

No loss if its crap ill just by another :D

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