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    Posted: 03/29/2008 at 3:20pm
There are some informative threads rolling with lists of what the professional men and women use. I think it's only natural for us guys to idolize the pro guys and want to use the stuff they use, but let me throw this out there . . .

If my playing style, strength, speed, endurance, and overall level of play is closer to that of the top female players, why not consider what they are using as it may be a better fit?

Unless you can spank any of the top female players, why not consider their gear? You might not want to admit it, but unless your rating is way up there we are probably more like the women!

Why not?

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I agree... That's why I also use Plasma Women... LOL
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I think even though a guy and girl might have similar ratings. They usually have very different playing styles. From the perspective of a lower rated player, It seems that guys tend to play further back and look to setup loops and drives, whereas most girls I've seen like to play a more positioning game using very quick blocks and counters over the table.

I don't know too much about what equipment they are using though. I know andro makes women rubbers, but other than that when I looked at the Butterfly sponsored player list a lot of the girls are using much faster setups than me. hehe.

Anyways, continuing my rant. My final word, the pro guys play a higher level than the girls. The girls have physical limitations that the guys don't have that's just the way it is. If you're a guy who is getting stomped by girls that's fine, just means they might be more fit or more skilled than you at the moment. But I think there's no point in trying to aim to equal them. You should try to be the best you can be. The girls that are beating you are probably using that equipment and style because they are the fastest and strongest they will be and their stuff suits their capabilities. But as a guy you may have more potential to unleash other aspects of play. So why not hit the weights, do endurance, do plyometrics and agility training.

Better to develop new strengths then accommodate current weaknesses. That's my philosophy.
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I am totally for tryin' womens equipment
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Just because it's used by women doesn't make it women's stuff. However, I wouldn't care if the blades were hot pink, wrapped in lace and a garter belt . . . if I play better with it . . . I'm with liXiao!!! We may be girlie men, but damn it . . . we're girl men winning points!
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I would like to try the stuff that Zhang Yining is using
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you mean the Photino?
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I never thought about that....But that is very true. I play like a woman,
I should go steal a woman's racket...
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Originally posted by IceDefence IceDefence wrote:

I would like to try the stuff that Zhang Yining is using


Well it is possible to buy her blade. Its basically a custom AN korbel, but it has the Zhang Yining lensin the handle. You can buy it from bty.co.jp under their custom blade making section. And her rubbers are tackifire c and sriver el.
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Hmm.. Tamara Boros is using Primorac Carbon with Bryce both sides :P Do I guess I could have used hers..
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I am man enough to admit I play more like a women . . . up close with more angle blocking and smacking the ball around. Also, the lighter blades suit me due to my neck and shoulder injury. I don't stand way back and wind-up for big loop drives. I think I play more like a penholder even when I don't play my non-penhold style. I watched several vids of Deng Yaping. She's much closer to what I try to do that the boys.

Hence, I play more like a women so bring on the girlie gear!!
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I have a sports bra for sale if interested LOL
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It's cool to use the gear that pros use, but it is important that a player finds a blade that suit's his or her style.  A player should get used to a blade so that the player will know how to use the blade to it's fullest potential.
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tommyzai, you gonna go buy a Nittaku Feminist with andro Plasma Women on both sides?
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If the feminist is really light, fast, and comes in ST handle . . .
count me in! I would proudly whack balls with a feminist sporting plasma.
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I wonder how heavy is Zhang Yining's setup.  Her blade listed at 92grams, bigger than normal bty size, rubber is about 70 and 60 grams uncut... Her setup probably be well over 180 grams.  I guess I am not woman enough to use that kind of setup... LOL
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Why you always prefer ST handle tommy?  I can't buy any of you blades because of that, I always stick with FL (most popular handle type?) Ouch
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on of those "tommyzai gone nuts" posts ;)

i think it's about time they came up with a combo for crossdressers. :) \

something with feathers on the handle and some metal studs...
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I've always been a fan of soft rubbers, and one I've been wanting to try is the Andro Plasma Womens "max."
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Originally posted by seasterl seasterl wrote:

I've always been a fan of soft rubbers, and one I've been wanting to try is the Andro Plasma Womens "max."
 
Hi Seasterl Smile.  I would say its softness is very comparable to F3.  Impuls speed (30) < F3 BigSlam (32.5?) < Plasma W ~ F3(35?) < Plasma 380 (38) [given the softness of impuls and 380 are correct].  Little more speed than F3.
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Originally posted by Wingman Wingman wrote:

Originally posted by seasterl seasterl wrote:

I've always been a fan of soft rubbers, and one I've been wanting to try is the Andro Plasma Womens "max."
 
Hi Seasterl Smile.  I would say its softness is very comparable to F3.  Impuls speed (30) < F3 BigSlam (32.5?) < Plasma W ~ F3(35?) < Plasma 380 (38) [given the softness of impuls and 380 are correct].  Little more speed than F3.
 
Thanks for that very useful info.  BTW, I'm assuming that it is a little lighter than 380, but does it also have at least some speed?
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Originally posted by seasterl seasterl wrote:

Originally posted by Wingman Wingman wrote:

Originally posted by seasterl seasterl wrote:

I've always been a fan of soft rubbers, and one I've been wanting to try is the Andro Plasma Womens "max."
 
Hi Seasterl Smile.  I would say its softness is very comparable to F3.  Impuls speed (30) < F3 BigSlam (32.5?) < Plasma W ~ F3(35?) < Plasma 380 (38) [given the softness of impuls and 380 are correct].  Little more speed than F3.
 
Thanks for that very useful info.  BTW, I'm assuming that it is a little lighter than 380, but does it also have at least some speed?
 
NP.  From what I have, 380 max red is 54 g, 380 2.0 red is 56 g, 380 2.0 blk is 54 g while plasma W max red is 55 g. 
I can't compare it to the speed of 380 for you because I haven't use the 380 max yet, plus it would be on a different blades.  Sorry.  But with F3, I put it on the same blade once.  I know you are quite precise too, so I wouldn't wanna guess anything.
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Thanks for the info, Wingman.  It sounds like they're all pretty close in weight, and if the topsheets are the same, then the speed may be pretty close to the 380.  I wish other manufacturers would offer a women's version.  I suppose in the Butterfly line, that would be Solcion (comparing it to Bryce and the other "high tension" offerings).
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Pointless ! There's no specific "women's gear". They play with the same stuff as we do. Therefore, why should you swap to their toys. You already have them (all of them I should say...).
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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Just because it's used by women doesn't make it women's stuff. However, I wouldn't care if the blades were hot pink, wrapped in lace and a garter belt . . . if I play better with it . . . I'm with liXiao!!! We may be girlie men, but damn it . . . we're girl men winning points!
 
In a way, it is good to be a girl... if we dress like men in suits, we can still look cool Cool...  I like wearing boots, legacy of my UG years...
 
But honestly, men and women do play differently... I like distant table counter looping, which is good for getting a feeling on how to generate speed and spin, but to me, it is not usable in my game because I just can't leap as far and wide quick enuf with my frame and speed...
 
If you are a guy, I dun think there is a problem with sticking to the table edge like sticking to mummy if it gives you the most winnings!!! LOL
 
As for how different should the equipments differ, I dun really know... I guess a light blade is one... I am not quite sure about rubbers...  is it because we have less power, so catapult effect is better with softer rubber?
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Well I sometimes like the rallies women have because its so fast and its like oh how'd she get that~!
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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Just because it's used by women doesn't make it women's stuff. However, I wouldn't care if the blades were hot pink, wrapped in lace and a garter belt . . . if I play better with it . . . I'm with liXiao!!! We may be girlie men, but damn it . . . we're girl men winning points!
 
There's just no freakin' way I am playing with a lace wrapped blade........ but I may change the handle like some sponsored pros are allegedly doing.  Hot pink for a point, get a hold of yourself MAN.  This ain't the metro table tennis club. Wink
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