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    Posted: 04/20/2008 at 9:15pm

Few weeks ago I had to choose between one of the two Speed90 Cpen blades.  Both blades weight exactly at 89 grams.  The comparisons and claims are between these two blades only.

Blade 1: Tighter grain (mostly 2-3 times as dense), grain lines are not clear, darker in color, color across the surface is not as uniform and when knock with index finger nail, it produce deeper and more echo sound.

 

Blade 2: Wider grain, grain lines are quite clear, lighter in color, color is uniform and when knock with index finger nail, it produce more of a flat sound (like "plak-plak" v.s. "plock-plock" for blade 1  Wink)

 

With helps from some forum members, I have chosen blade one.  However, my friend and I chose the same FH rubber, which is Xtend 2.0 black, so I am able to compare both setups. Weight of the setup are 160 grams and 157 grams repectively.

 

At the end, I can only notice that,

1) Blade 1 is indeed faster.  Just a little, not very different.

2) Blade 2 does vibrates more.  Again, just a little.  (For some of you, both blades might not vibrates at all)

 

I can't really tell their differences in term of throw angle, feeling or performance in matches.

 

Conclusion: For 1 ply hinoki, within the same model, there would be some small variations which we would be able to determine by looks as well. Smile

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If the differences are as small as you say, the weight difference caused by the rubbers would definately be the culprit in terms of speed.
 
Extra mass, especially added to the head of the blade, would increase the force that it would exert upon a ball, thus increasing the speed.
 
The grains could affect the way the piece of wood resonates however, because while they are both of the same density (if they truly both weigh the same), the grain structure would cause the rigidity to be different, since closer packed grains would theoretically make the piece harder to bend.
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beautiful! i say making blades is not only a craft but also a work of art
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Fully Agreed!!!!!

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Btw, those are both GORGEOUS slices of hinoki.  I actually like the looks of the wider grained one better.  It seems much more symmetric and clear.  Plus it's a beautiful shade.
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Wingman, Could you tell me what sidetape do you use? the thicker blue color one? It seems make from soft sponge.
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There is this dude in my club who has a $700 hinoki wood made blade
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Wingman, Could you tell me what sidetape do you use? the thicker blue color one? It seems make from soft sponge.


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Originally posted by Qtjoel Qtjoel wrote:

There is this dude in my club who has a $700 hinoki wood made blade
 
Would love to see how it look if possible.
 
IMO, Dr. N edgetape is the best, it can withstand more damange than any other tapes, plus it's as light as bty premium tape.  But it's just a little bulky.
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My fastest and most powerful is my Kokutaku, and it has the thightest grain amongst my collections. The lines of the grain is not so clear and very subtle that it gave me some doubt whether performance would be ok. And it turned out to be very good.
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Sorry for threat jacking...
Aeoliah, could you go here: http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9722&KW=&PID=194376#194376
and look at the Senkoh-90 and see the grains, etc.
I would like your input on it.
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Hi Rokphish, the link did not work. Please just give me the topic of the thread, who made the post and at what date. I will try to find it.
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Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Wingman, Could you tell me what sidetape do you use? the thicker blue color one? It seems make from soft sponge.


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Thanks for the info Dalamchops, Wingman Smile
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Originally posted by aeoliah aeoliah wrote:

Hi Rokphish, the link did not work. Please just give me the topic of the thread, who made the post and at what date. I will try to find it.



It's the Pictures of Your Blades thread, last page. Ole77 posted pics of his new Senkoh-90..
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If I don't hear any down sides of those BTY new 1 ply after a couple member tried it, I would get it too.  The price is quite tempting. LOL
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Originally posted by Wingman Wingman wrote:

If I don't hear any down sides of those BTY new 1 ply after a couple member tried it, I would get it too.  The price is quite tempting. LOL
i want a speed 90 with a flared handleBig%20smile
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Originally posted by Wingman Wingman wrote:

If I don't hear any down sides of those BTY new 1 ply after a couple member tried it, I would get it too.  The price is quite tempting. LOL


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Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

Originally posted by Wingman Wingman wrote:

If I don't hear any down sides of those BTY new 1 ply after a couple member tried it, I would get it too.  The price is quite tempting. LOL
i want a speed 90 with a flared handleBig%20smile
 
Will you get the Senkoh 90 too, Holda?
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no,probably not.i am tempeted by speed 90 more.don't know why.
i will buy ma lin extra offensive just out of curiosity.i don't want to carry speed 90 to play with everybody.gotta have something simple,but well made.yasaka brand i trust
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may be they will have these on saleWackothey probably will not....so long as i don't do anything spontaneous,again.i gotta say speed 90 is made ou tof superb wood.that is why i want a back -up...insanity,i think that;s what it is
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Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

no,probably not.i am tempeted by speed 90 more.don't know why.
i will buy ma lin extra offensive just out of curiosity.i don't want to carry speed 90 to play with everybody.gotta have something simple,but well made.yasaka brand i trust
 
If YEO Cpen sells for that Megaspin price, I would grab it too.  Please let me know how it plays.
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Rockphish, the grain looks similar to my Kokutaku (subtle and not distinctive), only it is tighter on my Kokutaku. I think you would not be disappointed with this one.
If you see the Speed 90 at the top of this thread, it is more distinctive and strong lines of grain (unless if the picture of the Senkoh is not representative because of the angle of shooting and the sharpness of the picture).
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Originally posted by aeoliah aeoliah wrote:

Rockphish, the grain looks similar to my Kokutaku (subtle and not distinctive), only it is tighter on my Kokutaku. I think you would not be disappointed with this one.
 
Same color as well?
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Wingman,  I forgot already what the color looks like, sorry.
Holda, what thickness you are thinking of ?
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Originally posted by aeoliah aeoliah wrote:

Wingman,  I forgot already what the color looks like, sorry.
Holda, what thickness you are thinking of ?
 
Oh, no worries.  It just that I also believe that darker in color would means more speed (might be due to longer drying process, etc)
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Then for sure mine has no dark color. Perhaps this is another aspect to ponder. It seems like we are going deeper and deeper into this single ply hinoki worldBig%20smile
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I personally like wider grain that is even and clear. Take a look at the paddle below used by Ryu Seun Min.

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Originally posted by aeoliah aeoliah wrote:

Wingman,  I forgot already what the color looks like, sorry.
Holda, what thickness you are thinking of ?
speed 90 it think only comes in 9 mm.
i do not want..at least for now one of these butterfly blades...but i think i would go for either 8.5 or 9.0 mm blade
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Originally posted by Wingman Wingman wrote:

Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

no,probably not.i am tempeted by speed 90 more.don't know why.
i will buy ma lin extra offensive just out of curiosity.i don't want to carry speed 90 to play with everybody.gotta have something simple,but well made.yasaka brand i trust
 
If YEO Cpen sells for that Megaspin price, I would grab it too.  Please let me know how it plays.
yea,their (yasaka's) blades are much more affordable,so i don't expect higher price on a cpen version
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Originally posted by jpenlover jpenlover wrote:

I personally like wider grain that is even and clear. Take a look at the paddle below used by Ryu Seun Min.

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Good to see the gold medalist's blade upclose Wink
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