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    Posted: 04/21/2008 at 2:15pm

I'm an tactical player, mostly 2 winged looping - aggressive play.  I use either Sriver El, Yasaka Mark V or Inspirit rubbbers.

I'd like to try a hinoki blade - currently considering a Butterfly Kiso Hinoki or a Septear.

Anyone tried either and how do they play?  Also, is a one ply hinoki preferable. 
 
I started playing TT years ago with the Jonyer FL. 
 
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1 ply and multiply hinoki are quite different.  Only 1 ply can bring out the "true hinoki" characteristic.  I don't know if Jonyer's plys are all hinoki.  I have tried that breiftly and can confirm that they are totally different.  1Ply would be in Off to Off+ range, while Jonyer is Off-, difference in speed is very clear.  Dalamchop tried both 1ply (Speed90) and Septear.
As BTY Senkoh just came out and I didn't try it yet, I would say a safe choice to start with would be Juic 1 Ply. 
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My general advice is this - if you play close to the table, almost never stepping back for defense, or for mid-distance counterattack or fishing/looping etc, then 1-ply would be certainly a way to go, no doubts, and you won't have many problems readjusting. Blocking, short-game, looping and attack off the table are superb with 1-plies.
 
However, if you spend some time in mid-zone then for consistency sake you should consider going with multi-ply hinoki blades or even composites. Or go with stiffer 1-ply and prepare to spend some time changing your playing habits.
 
The main (and some would say, the only) weakness of 1-ply hinoki blades is their softness when used from mid-zone or far-zone... attack, fishing, counterdrive/loop etc. It is not even that much of a weakness as a difference in behavior which will need significant readjustment from multi-ply blades which play more or less the same at the table and further away (this is a generalized statement which is certainly not true for every blade; it's rather a statistical claim). Having "many gears" is not only the upside of a true 1-ply but a downside as well - because you need to learn to apply those gears properly.
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