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    Posted: 05/28/2008 at 5:32am
Hi all,
 
        I would like to seal my Darker Speed 90. My question is : Issit ok to use the Water base protector(lacquer) like from Xiom or Andro? Currently, Xiom and Andro has products for blade sealing...
 
        I also like to know if it is necessary to seal the Darker Speed 90? Will it chip easily if I do not seal it? Will it have any adverse effect if I seal it with Xiom or Andro Water Base Protector?
 
        Alright, thanks for advise..
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Personally I don't trust water based material for sealing. I use polyurethane and I feel safe...
I seal all my blades and I have no complaint about performance of the blade Big%20smile
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I use Andro Free Seal. No problems whatsoever on 10+ blades. 
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Do you guys seal the handle as well?
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Originally posted by Flicker Flicker wrote:

Do you guys seal the handle as well?


Some people do but then it feels too slick. However I saw recommendations to do that with tung oil instead of poly...
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     I seal all my blades with poly-U. There is a water based poly-U. Once the water based Poly is dry, it is water proof.
     I do not seal the handles with Poly. Makes them feel slippery and they get wet when your hands sweat.Smile
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Hookshot - Do you seal the handle with anything at all?
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Hookshot - Do you seal the handle with anything at all?
Didn't u give ur brand new Clipper Wood a "MASSIVE " sealing job? It looks pretty shiny all around the whole thing....
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Hi Flicker,
     I don't have a Clipper. I am experimenting with things to seal the handles but have not found anything special yet.
     I have sealed blades with 1 to 10 coats of poly. Three is what I use the most. There is another LONG thread where Tommyzai and expound on our thoughts about sealing. Some of my blades have that "dipped in glass" look.
     To make it short, 3 coats will not affect fast blades much at all. Def blades will show a greater affect from sealing. Sealings benifits outweigh not sealing. One or two coats will not "ruin" any blade.Smile
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I use Andro Free Seal. No problems whatsoever on 10+ blades. 
 
 
YOu have sealed more than 10 blades???
How many layers of sealing do you apply?
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What if I dun seal my Speed 90, Will it damage?
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Originally posted by Mithrra Mithrra wrote:

What if I dun seal my Speed 90, Will it damage?
u can experience it urself by NOT sealing it. Can't u? oh...come on..Mithrra, there r already ton n ton of threads/posts/topics abt blade sealing here n there...do a search or better still ask/pm Tommyzai, the guru of Blade sealing...or even better visit that topic of "Clipper wood" or "my collection of clipper wood" or someth'n. Tzai has already written a long ESSAY or short novel/story abt this topic.
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I wonder if anyone hasnt seal hinoki blade before and the wood still last?
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Originally posted by Mithrra Mithrra wrote:

I wonder if anyone hasnt seal hinoki blade before and the wood still last?
 
The wood still lasts.  It is not going to rot away or anything if you don't seal it.  The only thing is that the blade surfaces might splinter overtime as you keep putting on and peeling off the rubbers.  The handle will get dirty because of the sweat and dirt.  That's all.
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Mithrra,
     Between Tommyzai and I, we have probably sealed over 70 blades now.Smile
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Originally posted by Mithrra Mithrra wrote:

Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

I use Andro Free Seal. No problems whatsoever on 10+ blades. 
 
 
YOu have sealed more than 10 blades???
How many layers of sealing do you apply?


I sealed every blade I bought/sold with 2 layers of Free Seal with the exception of Acoustic whic was factory sealed nicely. BTW, as far as I know, hinoki has very little tendency to be problematic if you don't seal. Many other wood types are worse.
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It makes sense to seal the blade's edge (to prevent splintering if you use edge tape) but I don't seal the surface of 1-ply rackets.

BTW, I was looking for some polyurethane but they sell it for ~50 $/L here. Do you guys have to pay the same for your "Varathane" or similar products?
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Spray can of Minwax, Poly, good for about 15 blades is about $6.
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I also find that rounding the edges (slightly) with sandpaper helps prevent the ding cracks on blades, especially 1-ply. Don't believe the hype about hinoki being so hard it doesn't need sealant. SEAL BABY SEAL!
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I seal also the handles of my penhold and I don't feel that it is slippery, but I think on SH it will be slippery.
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LOLLOLLOLLOL
Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

I use Andro Free Seal. No problems whatsoever on 10+ blades. 
LOLLOLLOLso you commited yourself..
u will like to change your blades now.the other darker and juic will be primary weapons
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I had seal four of my blades and none of them fly off my hand yet. Actually i don't feel any slipery at all after 2 hours of continuous practice. The purpose of seal handle is keep it off from dirt and sweat and keep the beauty of the handle for life.
Seal the blade is a basis carpenter and not so difficult task. If you try to vanish a kitchen cabinet or table and that require more advance technic
To seal a blade only needs a few drop of Poly and you don't need to buy a litter. Just buy a little can and will be ok for 10 blades or more
I like water base Poly because it thin and you can completed 3 very thin layer and will not increasing any weight. The oil base is too thick and it will incease some weight after 3rd coat
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sadius, can you please tell me which particular brand you bought for sealing?
 
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Originally posted by Hookshot Hookshot wrote:

Spray can of Minwax, Poly, good for about 15 blades is about $6.

That's what I use too.  Minwax fast drying PolyU spray can.  Very easy to apply.  To be sure, you can practice on piece of crap wood first.  I'm too lazy so only one thick layer for me.
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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

I also find that rounding the edges (slightly) with sandpaper helps prevent the ding cracks on blades, especially 1-ply. Don't believe the hype about hinoki being so hard it doesn't need sealant. SEAL BABY SEAL!
 
Tommy - Good point on rounding out the edge.  In this case, I believe the edge of the Speed 90 is already rounded out pretty well.  I think this is the blade that Mithrra is thinking of sealing.  Cheers.
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Quote sadius, can you please tell me which particular brand you bought for sealing?
 
Cheers
 
I used Minwax water base clear satin polyurethane. You could find it at any wood or hardware store.
I don't like spray bottle because it hard to get even or over coating.
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Sadius is the sealing specialist. :))  Cheers, pal.
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Originally posted by Flicker Flicker wrote:

Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

I also find that rounding the edges (slightly) with sandpaper helps prevent the ding cracks on blades, especially 1-ply. Don't believe the hype about hinoki being so hard it doesn't need sealant. SEAL BABY SEAL!
 
Tommy - Good point on rounding out the edge.  In this case, I believe the edge of the Speed 90 is already rounded out pretty well.  I think this is the blade that Mithrra is thinking of sealing.  Cheers.
 
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Mithrra - So have you decided if and what are you going to used to seal your beloved Speed90 yet?
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don't seal the 1ply hinoki
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