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peter79
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I've met a chinese guy in my TT club. He's working as a engineer here. He use stiga super carbon with Donic Short pips on both sides. I asked him why chinese like to use Stiga blades. He said stiga has more feel compared to other blade in the market. 70 % chinese use Stiga blades. I've only 1 stiga blade, which is Hybrid wood. The feeling is not as good as violin, but faster.
Is there any Stiga blades that feel better or as good as violin?
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ur friend is a liar
i suggest you get a new friend. |
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peter79
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, Well since I don't go to China to make a survey, I just belives what he says. Anyway do you know what stiga blades which has better feel than Violin/Acoustic?
He's the only native chinese who plays in my club. A good hitter and counter smash player.
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Violin is a newer product comparing with classic Stiga blades. That is why not many chinese is using it. At the same time, it is more expensive comparing with stiga blades.
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You're right, I have the same thought. The most important is the price factor, can buy 2 or 3 stiga blades. That's why they don't try Violin, and doesn't want to because of the price.
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from i've heard there's a lot of players using Stiga. At one time, Stiga is even the main supplier of their national team. And Avalox blades is quite popular with their national team too.. The main product they use is 5 ply and 7 ply blades. Stiga OC, Clipper, Energy Wood, Avalox P500, P700. The only member of Chinese National i know using Acoustic is Ma Long. I heard He's not doing that bad.. |
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One of the main reasons many Chinese are using Stiga is because they were pretty impressed by Sweden's players from approx. 1987 when Waldner was already considered main opponent of Jian Jialiang thru 2000 when they managed to win team championship yet again despite the fact that Waldner, Persson and Karlsson were all more than 30 yr old, not to mention that JO also managed to get silver at the Olympics. So it's mainly a PR issue... there is no hard reality behind that skewed preference.
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sorry..i briefly tried stiga clipper for the first time..and i liked it a lot.it is not that hard,probably slightly harder than avalox 700.a blade was bought for me by tommy zai.i thank him for the blade,by the way.
i also noticed that many asian players like these blades,and they also go with offensive /allround varieties...
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That's true - Clipper was pretty popular in China... probably still is. |
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Stiga still supplies the chinese national team.
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tommy's stiga is very special-i am keeping it until i have more time to play with..i am possibly postponing my playing tt for some time.i will continue watching the matches...it sucks,tomorrow is big tournament in atlanta,i can not make there even to watch...ok,may be next time |
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apart from the price, the chinese generally prefer ayous core in their 5-ply wood blades, for the power ('di jing') that it offers. therefore violin will never be as popular as these stiga offensive classics in china.
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Guys, wood is wood no matter what the stamp says. Avalox 555 feels basicaly the same as stiga off or tibhar samsonov alpha. They're all limba over ayous. If there's a difference in the quality of cuts, it's on the inside cause I don't see it on the outer plies. There are small tweakes in the thicknesses of each ply etc, but that just goes to taste, not quality. The acoustic I tried may have been just a touch more flexible, presumably because of the glue they use, but it's not like some huge difference. Ma and Wang used to use YE, while Oh uses Korbel. Some people like chevy, some ford, but they both get you there.
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i would like to think too that it is totally due to marketing and historical reasons why Stiga is so overwhelmingly popular in China, but one suspects that it has also to do with the design of these blades being particularly suited to the way the chinese plays (e.g. the consensus there is that Hurricane 3 goes with ayous but not kiri core). i am also inclined to trust the judgement of the chinese since the average standard of the regular players there is rather higher than most other countries.
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and yasaka is extremely popular with chinese penholders. again probably it is because of the choice of FH rubber (H3 TG2 TG3) plays very well with the ayous core + the 'less solid' feel to swedish blades, but also because they have the shape of the blade right.
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he meant 70% of the players he always plays in basement tt, i know of some penhold players in the nat team with acoustic, but looks play a deciding role when chosing equipment, wang hui 1996 national champion played with a sword word, li hu played with nittaku anv also others juniors i dont remember well , top players in china nat team tend to be EJ also
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it's true that Stiga Clipper CR is nice blade....the price not expensive at all |
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Hi McD..
why do you say you need to replace your O2 on your signature? |
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yeah, i need different type of rubber
more like medium sponge and japanese top sheet thingy
but i havent got it yet
so at the moment i use that til i find rubber
omega 2 rubber is a bit bouncy, and i dont have black medium sponge jap. top sheet yet
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Sorry Cole, I have to disagree with you. I have BT555, OC-CR and Alpha, and they are all feel different!!!! BT555 feels soft but springy (good 2nd kick). Alpha feels soft but not springy (doesn't have that 2nd kick), OC-CR feels stiffer but kind of hollow and is not springy either (probably a bit only, but I can't really feel it). I have Dicon which is supposed to be a copy of OC but Dicon is much stiffer compared to OC and not springy either. Samsonov Premium Contact has Limba outer ply (I don't know if core is ayous) and it feels soft and flexible. Korbel is also Limba with ayous but it feels medium (not too soft). They probably have limba outer ply with ayous core but different in thickness and size and shape really make them feel quite different. May be I am too sensivite!! |
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are you sure just a bit? it can be hard to push, and keep the ball low and short with O2.. |
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I know a good and well respected club who got a trainer from China last year. And since they have change all their youth team blade to Clipper. On the recommendation of their new trainer..
I really would like to see your friend play though, Peter, i have never seen a player who uses SP both sides.. must be interesting. |
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yah, that s at least what i feel
since i just used it yesterday
just need for adjustment
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Yup, he meant not the chinese national players. According Him, most of the Chinese who play Table Tennis prefer Stiga because of the feel. |
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Hmmm, He's using Donic Baxter on both sides. His playing style is he can loop any kind of serve, either side spin, side under spin, or under spin with his backhand down the line to his opponent forehand. He has a good technique, he can place a ball to opponent's uncomfortable hitting zone. When Somebody loop to his forehand, He'll just smash the ball. His smashing technique is awesome. The opponent spin the ball to his wide forehand, he quickly move sideway, just smacking the ball to his opponent's backhand down the line, not on his opponent's forehand cross table. His reaction is good too, I smashed a ball at him, he wait until the ball rise then counter smash me :p I can't play with him, still need to learn how to play a player use pimple out rubber that can attack. When I don't have opportunity, he can smack the ball, then when he's not in good position, he just sliced the ball in play, when my opportunity came, then I blowed it, either I loop it out or smash it into the net. Hmmmmmm, anyone, is there any idea how to play this guy? He's 48 years old, play Table Tennis since 16 years old. His playing style isn't nice to watch, but his stroke is so efficient. Maybe the high level player can use his energy efficiently hehehehe |
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Wow, sounds like a very difficult player to play.. I wish i can see him play.. He must a relic from the Chinese pimple-out hitter era (Jiang Jialiang, He Zhi Wen).
From i understand, they loop/flick underspin and hit trough topspin. Generally flat hitters love to stay close to the table, where they are most deadly. You need to force him to move back, that will reduce the angle of his flat hit and make his flat hit less dangerous.. If you loop, try to make a brushing loop loaded with topspin, go for spin rather than power to his middle or weaker side (BH?). High arc loop close to the end line will unsettle them to some extent because they then have to move back. For me personally, SP is also very hard to play against.. |
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Of course more players use Stiga in China. They are CHEAPER!!
It's true that China's economy is growing and there is more cash, but the average Chinese family still lives on about $200-$300 per month (except the major cities like Bejing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, etc.). So, they are not going to blow their families food money on a Violin. I'll swear my 1981 Toyoto Corolla handles better than my neighbor's 2008 BMW because I can't afford it! |
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When I go back to China I'm predicting the seat compartment of my motorbike will be broken into or pulled off and my Violin will be stolen. The thief probably won't even try to take my bike, just my combo!
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