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[haggisv] Best of Brand series - Butterfly |
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haggisv
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OK, below is my summary... hope it's accurate! Thanks for all the posts and information guys! I'll start the next brand shortly...I'm thinking Joola next...?
Butterfly Here is my summary of the most notable / special rubbers and blades from the Butterfly brand. This is not meant to promote or criticize the Butterfly brand or products in any way, it�s simply a summary of opinions on the more famous and highly regarded products of the brand. Butterfly is one of the most famous and largest table tennis equipment manufacturers in the world. Established in 1950 in Japan, Butterfly has developed into one of the market leaders, with high quality products, although with higher price-tags to match. Butterfly have many factories producing their products, including several rubber factories Japan, Germany and China, and blade factories in Japan, Hungary and China. One of the reasons the Butterfly is so well known is marketing and information�there are few others who put in the same effort and have the same budget. All the information is of great benefit to users, and is a credit to Butterfly. Although a lot of the Butterfly products are very good, some are no better than those made by some other manufacturers, often made in the same factory, but it�s the marketing and promotion that turns people to Butterfly. Most people can find a suitable blade and rubbers from several of the major manufacturers, but it�s often personal preference or brand loyalty that drives them to Butterfly. Of course this is the same for several of the other major brands. After talking to many people, and getting lots of great feedback from people on the table tennis forums, I�ve summarised the most popular Butterfly rubbers and blades below. Although the popularity can be biassed by marketing and availability, there are some that many agree on to be great products, so there must be something to it� Rubbers: Sriver � probably the most famous of all rubbers, that has stood the test of time and is still commonly used in modern days, even after several decades since it was released. This rubber is suitable for all levels, where thinner sponges are usually used for more control at the lower levels and they rubbers are speed glued at higher level for extra performance. Other Sriver variants (EL, FX, G2, G2-FX) Building on the great reputation of sriver, several other variants have been developed over the years. The FX and particularly the EL have also enjoyed great success, the G2 and G2-FX are more recent and have not been quite as popular, partially due to the wide range of similar rubbers now on the market. Bryce series � Bryce and Bryce FX are without a doubt two of the most popular choices for offensive players at higher levels, especially where speed glue is used. Many (but not all) agree that this rubber needs to be speed glue to really make it come alive, so with the upcoming ban, it may lose some of it�s popularity. The Bryce Speed, Bryce Speed FX are an attempt to modify the rubber to make it more usable without speed glue, but opinions on this are mixed. The new Tenergy has been creating a bit of stir lately as the latest glue-free offensive rubber, but it�s a little too early to tell how successful it will be. Other offensive rubbers worth noting are the Tackifire C, Cermet and Catapult which have been successful for some people, but don�t stand out as much as the ones above. The Raystorm is one of the more popular short pimple rubber. For the more all-round or defensive styles, there are the Tackiness C and D, which were very popular for many years and still used by some people today. The Feint Long II and III are their more popular long pimples, but have not had a huge following. The Super Anti appears to be one of the more highly regarded anti-spin rubbers out there, but with only a small percentage of players playing with these types of rubbers these days, we tend not to hear much about it. With the frictionless long pimple ban now in place, this rubber may well make a comeback. Blades: The Butterfly blades are generally regarded as high quality blades. Butterfly has factories in several different countries, but those made in Japan clearly stand out as top quality blades. The Primorac, Primorac carbon, Korbel, Gergely, Sardius, Andrejz Grubba and Mazunov have been around for many years and have been the most succesful Butterfly blades. In recent years, more research and technology has produced high-tech blades wich appear to have overtaken some of the earlier carbon blades in popularity. The Michael Maze and Timo Boll Spirit are high quality blades and have become very popular, and are used by some of the current top players in the world. The Schlager carbon seems to have a following, but it�s likely to be too fast to control for most people, although the sheer speed is often an attraction. The Kong Linghui Special is also highly regarded with a good following. The Cypress-S seems to be the most popular J-pen blades, partially due to poor availabilty (in western countries) to the other J-pen blades. The Matsush*ta Pro and the Joo Se Hyuk appear to be the most popular more defensive blades, and appear to be growing in popularity. Final words: It is likely that a player of any level and style can find something appropriate from the Butterfly brand, although this is the case for many of the other major brands too. Hopefully this summary will be useful for Butterfly fans or those that only have this brand available to choose from. Butterfly do have a range of other table tennis related items, in fact they pretty much sell everything related to table tennis, but blades and rubbers are the extent of this write-up. |
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haggisv
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Thanks guys!
Since I assume most people will stop gluing or tuning, which of the Bryce (if any) will remain popular do you think? |
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Asaomi
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Sriver and Bryce for sure
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cmetsbeltran15
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My preferences:
Blade: Maze Rubbers: Bryce, Sriver G2, Sriver G2FX |
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hafawaz
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I agree - the japanese butterfly products still have the strict quality control. However those made in the china factories are lagging in quality. I have to admit, on the rubber side, some of the chinese manufacturers have come a LOOOOONG way compared to what i used to see in the eighties. The european manufacturers have great quality control also - but many of these don't have the range of products that the japanese and chinese companies do. |
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Senkoh - 85 with Sriver EL 2.1
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haggisv
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Thanks a lot Peter, very comprehensive!
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Peter C
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I agree with Rob when he says " Most companies now have equivalent
blades to each other, so the difference is always in the head shape or
handle size."
Compared to 30 years ago, we have a much wider range of good quality products to choose from and are spoilt for choice. Some of the clones available on the market today are great blades in the own right. The Galaxy K4, W6, M6 and the Avalox blades come to mind One thing also worth bearing in mind is blades are 85% wood and like most wood products, a well looked after blade will last decades and get better the more it is played. So older blades are still a valid option too. I have 2 1970's Stiga Allround woods and they play better than the Stiga Allround Classic i played with two summers ago. Like Rob I've played with quite a few blades and find that I can adapt reasonably quickly to most. Regarding Butterfly equipment, my choices would be : Timo Boll Spirit - versatile arylate carbon, that is a great looping blade; a classic Michael Maze - a variation of the Timo Boll Spirit and an even better blade Mazunov - great for those who like a heavy blade. One to rival the Clipper, as it has power for mid distance looping and good touch over the table. Petr Korbel - great looping blade, better than the Yasaka Gatien Extra in my opinion Kenny Primorac ; Great choice for beginners. Matsush*ta Pro - defenders choice Rubbers : Sriver : An excellent choice for many players over the last 4 decades. I prefer Sriver L, EL and G2 FX Bryce ; I prefer Bryce to Bryce FX, as I block better with it. Tackiness C & D : Great for defenders p.s. I remember somebody mentioning that Butterfly also have a factory in Hungary and some of the plastic badge Butterfly's are produced there. |
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Ginko Tai Kim
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I agree that some "lower end" butterfly stuff are really poorly made, ie the blades that are made in china and not in the japan factory
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haggisv
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Yes I agree they are still among the best. Their top end blades are no doubt among the best in quality, although some of their lower end range is certainly not the same quality, and probably not made in the same factory...
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Rich215
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Ok....sorry to have mis-understood the point of original posting.
My fav. Butterfly blade is the A. Grubba ALL+. Only blade I have found so far to be close to it is my Nittaku Torua.
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hafawaz
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Butterfly still has some of the best quality control out there - something that many other brands haven't quite gotten. They have great consistency in production standards.
Best in Rubbers - Sriver / Bryce / Tackiness
Best in Blades - Andrejz Grubba / TBS / Schlager / Korbel
Great stuff.
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Senkoh - 85 with Sriver EL 2.1
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Sriver is irreplaceable. 30 years and still the most popular rubber for any level - and for a good reason. |
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cmetsbeltran15
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So...as he said...he thinks that Butterfly is the best, and that's his personal opinion. |
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haggisv
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Yes i agree... most brands have something special, and the point of this thread is to identify which are special within the Butterfly brand... Not everyone will like or prefer it the ones we come up with, but many do (or at least agree it's a good product)...
BTW Thanks for all the replies guys, this is good stuff! |
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Rich215
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Id like to see some of you that think one brand of blade is the best, try like 6 or more compareable blades with a butterfly mixed in.....all blades would be made with no graphics and same handles.
Do you think you could actually pick out which is which? You might also find you like something other than the Butterfly one!
I have a Butterfly blade that I like alot, but I also have a YinHe, Nittaku, Mizuno, and a Gambler that I like quite a bit as well. Not sure that I can say I like one over the other at most times. They all have different feelings to them....but I can play with them all. I think rubbers are a bigger factor in the game for myself. Just my personal observation after trying so many different blades and rubbers.
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haggisv
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Yes that is exactly right, cheers Ginko Tai Kim! |
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Master_of_loops
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This is true! Everybody is looking for something perfect! But as you say I found that for me personaly Butterfly is perfect!
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varghesep
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"But I thinks that Butterfly is better!"
I have to disagree. Most of the brands out there make excellent products. It is a personal preference of what brand you like much. |
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Master_of_loops
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Other brands arent bad. They are good. But for me, Butterfly is better!
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Ginko Tai Kim
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I think that compiling a general view and bringing out the positives of each manufacturer, that said moving on too another brand after compiling a general survey is what haggisv might be thinking.
Hehe sorry for the direct post but im glued on watching Miss Universe!!! |
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varghesep
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"Believe me choose only BUTTERFLY, because its a bigest and best TT brand which makes most quality products."
I have to disagree with your statement. The best blade that suits you is butterfly. That does not mean all other brands are bad. |
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Master_of_loops
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In my whole TT life I use many blades and rubbers (about 10 blades and about 15 different rubbers). Most of thiese blades and rubbers and blades were Butterfly products ( SC, Gergely carbon, Primorac OFF-, Sriver L, EL, FX, power sponge, Bryce, FX, power sponge). Also I use a lot of Stiga blades (Offensive classic WRB, Clipper WRB, Hybrid wood, Carbo 7.6 WRB) and rubbers (Mendo energy, Almana sound Synergy Tech, Magna). Others are (BLADES: Yasaka Gatien extra, Avalox P500, Xiom Stradivarius; Rubbers: DHS G666). Now I use :
BLADE: BTY MICHAEL MAZE OFF
RUBBER: BTY BRYCE SPEED FX 2.1 mm ON BOTH SIDES
GLUE: BTY FREE CHACK
TUNER: BTY SPEED OPTIMIZER
With this combo I got everything I need for my game: lots of SPEED, lots of SPIN, AND lots of CONTROL
I probably can say that during my TT equipment expirience I got TT equipment knowledge, and also I am Profesional TT player (I play for fun and for money)! Believe me choose only BUTTERFLY, because its a bigest and best TT brand which makes most quality products.
My favourite Butterfly products are: Michael Maze OFF, Bryce Speed FX, Free chack, and Speed Optimizer! But all other Butterfly products were you can read MADE IN JAPAN is best forl different style of play!
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Rubber - Sriver EL
Shakehand blade - Matsush*ta Pro
J-pen blade - Cypress S
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I have to say the Fukuhara Special blade is great... for me at least... probably under rated cos guys dun want to appear sissy, so they dun wanna buy it...
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Fukuhara Special-FL: Bryce Speed + Tango
To test: Yasaka Offensive Gatien 7-ply: Bryce(FH) + Moristo-SP 1.9(BH) *sealing atm* |
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Ginko Tai Kim
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btw.... cant forget super anti, very slippery and good control. Plus last forever.
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Ginko Tai Kim
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Good idea too see our inputs on the brands... As for me
#1) Sriver/sriver el - very affordable, very good japanese rubber, good spin and control. Durable. #2) bryce fx - very fast high tensioned rubber, lower throw, durable, works beautiful with glue. #3) schlager #4) sardius - classic carbon, king of speed, very popular with the older guys. Same as schlager but bigger head and softer feel. Suited well for flat hitters. #5) KLHS #6) TBS - A very nice arylate carbon composite blade, very good feel and like the kong special is great for loopers. Ginko Tai Kim |
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silvalis
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Tenergy is a fair bit spinnier than Roxon.
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Skyline
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lol Roxon isn't better than Tenergy. They're both very good but very different from each other.
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I've used most major blades on the market, and although the craftmanship of the Butterfly blades is good, the andro blades seem to suit my game better. When I tried the acoustic it also felt nice. But it all depends on your style of play. Most companies now have equivelant blades to each other, so the differance is always in the head shape or handle size.
When it comes to rubbers, I am very Biased. i have used nearly all the Tensors and must say that at the moment the Roxon 450 is the best - Yes better than Tenergy 05. |
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the only blade that ive used extensively and is butterfly is the PC, but i must admit the craftsmanship is awesome
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