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    Posted: 05/23/2017 at 4:55pm
Just in case you wonder whether Violin has a milled handle or not... it does. At least the LG version.
Yesterday my Violin slipped out of my hand and dropped to the floor while I was collecting it from the table and one handle part broke off. Just so. It must have fallen on a tsubo, as I never thought that a handle may come off so easily.

Now I wonder what glue I should use to glue the parts back together. Though there is no evidence that Nittaku actually uses hide glue for their strings series (see my previous posts), I would still be more comfortable in using hide glue than others, just in case.

However, since using real hide glue is cumbersome and I never did before, I thought of maybe getting some Titebond Liquid Hide Glue, instead. Any advice?
(Note: I know I have to sand the surfaces, prior to applying glue.)


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Just whipped out my violin too. Not sure why I stopped using it.
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And while we're at it, I found this image in an ad from Nittaku for the strings series blades.


Below is the result of my attempt of translating the above text.
Note that I cannot speak or read a word of Japanese. I tried to OCR the above text, adjusted the characters/logograms until they looked right to my untrained eye, and the ran in trhough google translate.
If anyone reads japanese, please correct my translation. Thanks.

弦楽器製造技術 イメ-ジ
木自体の水分の通り道である「造管」の内
部奥探くまで接着剤を浸透させる技術で、
弦楽器の製造に用いられます。
微細な凸凹に特殊接着剤が均一に入り込
み、合板同士が引き寄せちれー体化する
ことで、硬さのバラツキがなくスイ一卜エ
リアが広がります。
独特の芯があるような打球感で、繊紬な
ボ一ルタッチと安定した威力ある弾みを
可能にします。


String Maker Manufacturing Technology Image
Within the "pipe making" which is the path of the moisture of the tree itself
By penetration of the adhesive in the back of the part,
It is used to manufacture string instruments.
Special adhesive gently enters fine asperity
Only, plywood attracts each other
By doing so, there is no variation in hardness,
The rear spreads.
With a sense of shot feel like having a unique core,
Ball touch and stable and powerful momentum
We will make it possible.




ラケット野面
Racket Face

※図 よイメ一ジです。
(one symbol is missing)
It is a picture

一体化
Integration

接着剤
Adhesive

木材
Wood

引き寄せ
Attract

浸透
Infiltration


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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Marketing... That all folks

Never saw any reference to hide glue in Nittaku's ads. As to the rest, see my previous post.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Hello arg0 [...]
I do have a hard time imagining a production line involving hide glue and that's why I trust people like Borko Dragolivic who builds $4000 guitars and owns 200 tt blades he did not build; he uses hide glue for the blades he builds. I suggest you contact him and ask him, I would be very interested in another interview that you would take on.
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I think this interview is one of the gold nuggets of the forum and from there you could build more:would be so kind to contact Borko and ask him if he would be willing to talk about hide glue again? its benefits (he says epoxy is like another ply...) and how relevant it still is in the age of the new ball?

Hello fatt,
thanks for your kind words and the challenge. Unfortunately, as much as I would like to dig deeper into the issue, I simply lack the time, not to mention the skill, to prepare an interview. Moreover, even if I had, I feel I am not very competent in talking about the new ball. In the last two years I had little time to practice TT and I feel I simply don't have enough experience with it.
I truly hope you will contact him and continue the interview. There's a lot to learn from his experience!

This said, I was actually interested in the secret of Violin. It does play and feel unlike any other blade I tried. I especially love the way it vibrates. Even Acoustic and Tenor feel completely different and muted in comparison (which is good or bad, depending on your taste).
Yinhe E-4 has similar construction to Violin but plays very different. Nexy Lissom has white ash top plies, but different construction: it's a spin machine, but it's not a Violin.
So if Violin's secret is not the white ash plies, and not the hide glue, what is it then? My suspicion is that it still in the special type of glue that is used, that permeates deeply in the wood without creating a "layer" like epoxy. Just, it's likely not hide glue. But I'm just speculating...
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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Hi Clan Members, I was trying to find evidence that Nittaku use hide glue for the String series. The print on the blades and the ads I saw say they use same techniques and technology as in strings instruments manufacturing, but not the type of glue. I have talked to instrument makers and they tend not to use hide glue any longer because there are better and more convenient alternatives, nowadays. I went as far as translating some of Nittaku's advertising images from Japanese by using OCR, but could not find any reference to hide glue. Maybe we have to debunk a myth?
The secret of Violin & co. is likely still in the glue and/or glueing process, just... it may not be hide glue. Anyone knows for sure?



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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Hi Clan Members, I was trying to find evidence that Nittaku use hide glue for the String series. The print on the blades and the ads I saw say they use same techniques and technology as in strings instruments manufacturing, but not the type of glue. I have talked to instrument makers and they tend not to use hide glue any longer because there are better and more convenient alternatives, nowadays. I went as far as translating some of Nittaku's advertising images from Japanese by using OCR, but could not find any reference to hide glue. Maybe we have to debunk a myth?
The secret of Violin & co. is likely still in the glue and/or glueing process, just... it may not be hide glue. Anyone knows for sure?
Hello arg0; thanks again for smoothly working the the Nexy Karis testing fiesta; I really had a lot of fun and it made me think again about rubbers and what I need from them. I felt lucky to be part of it and I am grateful about your work.

I do have a hard time imagining a production line involving hide glue and that's why I trust people like Borko Dragolivic who builds $4000 guitars and owns 200 tt blades he did not build; he uses hide glue for the blades he builds. I suggest you contact him and ask him, I would be very interested in another interview that you would take on.

You probably saw that before:

I think this interview is one of the gold nuggets of the forum and from there you could build more:would be so kind to contact Borko and ask him if he would be willing to talk about hide glue again? its benefits (he says epoxy is like another ply...) and how relevant it still is in the age of the new ball?

I would be happy to contact him but I believe today you are better than me to take that on.

Thanks in advance.

PS: I heard he was sick lately so I hope he is better now and willing to share his knowledge.

edit: forum member emilian mihet (usatt 2100 or so) can help you: he is a close friend to Borko's and they share that passion about blades.





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Hi Clan Members, I was trying to find evidence that Nittaku use hide glue for the String series. The print on the blades and the ads I saw say they use same techniques and technology as in strings instruments manufacturing, but not the type of glue. I have talked to instrument makers and they tend not to use hide glue any longer because there are better and more convenient alternatives, nowadays. I went as far as translating some of Nittaku's advertising images from Japanese by using OCR, but could not find any reference to hide glue. Maybe we have to debunk a myth?
The secret of Violin & co. is likely still in the glue and/or glueing process, just... it may not be hide glue. Anyone knows for sure?
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Don't you feel Violin is outdated for a power looper with new PB?

I loved it, but traded mine because I need too much power to finish the rallies...

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Join club! I got a acoustic C-pen, custom order. 
Feels very solid even though it is a 5-plywood. 


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Recently i decided to try my old love - 75 gr. Violin how good is with the new balls. I put a spare Rasant (actualy i play with Rasant since then, cause it was the best mach i found with a Violin for me) on it and wow... so good that i started to bother my mind , what was the reason to put it off? Maybe it wasn't so good before. Maybe i have to leave my TBS and return back to it ? .... And i bought myselve Viscaria for Christmas to find are there any differences with a TBS. Damn EJ LOL
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Thanks for the suggestion peter79! Unfortunately I don't think it is available on pingpongonline.com where I mostly get my stuff here in the Philippines.
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Originally posted by masterbuten masterbuten wrote:

Just got back to TT and after a long hiatus broke out my trusty black tag violin. Attached the Vega Pro (fh) and Vega Elite (bh) which from reviews seem to be good rubbers but seem dead in combination with the Violin especially with the 40+ balls.

What rubbers would pair well with the Violin these days? I might also consider Chinese rubbers.


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Just got back to TT and after a long hiatus broke out my trusty black tag violin. Attached the Vega Pro (fh) and Vega Elite (bh) which from reviews seem to be good rubbers but seem dead in combination with the Violin especially with the 40+ balls.

What rubbers would pair well with the Violin these days? I might also consider Chinese rubbers.
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Originally posted by Ladon1997 Ladon1997 wrote:

My answer is NO . Customer made one is only modified in shape and weight you want to be , the strength and hardness can also be modified according to the thickness of the wood when you place an order. The basic can't be changed material . Set you conotion and Nittaku will finalize your blade suit you personally.


I see, I've tried Custom Viscaria vs normal Viscaria. My Custom Viscaria is 87 gr vs Normal Viscaria 90 gr.
The lighter Custom blade feels more solid than my normal Viscaria.
Also Hurricane Long V vs W968, W968 has harder feel and more powerful.
So Nittaku normal and custom blade use the same material then.



The way of Nittaku provide customer made is more preferential to Buuterfly . At least they are not greedy
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Finally I can get a good top ply, similar to first generation Acoustic Big smile


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Originally posted by Ladon1997 Ladon1997 wrote:

My answer is NO . Customer made one is only modified in shape and weight you want to be , the strength and hardness can also be modified according to the thickness of the wood when you place an order. The basic can't be changed material . Set you conotion and Nittaku will finalize your blade suit you personally.


I see, I've tried Custom Viscaria vs normal Viscaria. My Custom Viscaria is 87 gr vs Normal Viscaria 90 gr.
The lighter Custom blade feels more solid than my normal Viscaria.
Also Hurricane Long V vs W968, W968 has harder feel and more powerful.
So Nittaku normal and custom blade use the same material then.

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My answer is NO . Customer made one is only modified in shape and weight you want to be , the strength and hardness can also be modified according to the thickness of the wood when you place an order. The basic can't be changed material . Set you conotion and Nittaku will finalize your blade suit you personally.
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Originally posted by Ladon1997 Ladon1997 wrote:

On the right is custom made , the blade shape is modified to fit for looping and spin. Blade's Centre of gravity moves upwards to ease of control


Ladon, I just wonder if the quality of the commercial Acoustic vs Custom made Acoustic, is the Custom made Acoustic feels more solid, harder and more powerful than the commercial Acoustic?
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On the right is custom made , the blade shape is modified to fit for looping and spin. Blade's Centre of gravity moves upwards to ease of control
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I can qualify as I have custom made Acoustic Carbon Cp
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Originally posted by Knuckle Ball Knuckle Ball wrote:

I own and play with an Acoustic Carbon. Do I qualify as clan member?


Sure you qualify Big smile . I haven't update the list of members and their blades for a long time.

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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Just curious to know which is more popular, Acoustic or Violin in this Forum. Anyone who own either of them or both of them can join this Clan Wink
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I got 1 pcs Acoustic 92 gw which is solid and powerful at kokusai takkyu takanobaba branch. I requested 2 pcs 92 gr from ttjapan and I got 2 pcs 93 gr instead. So solid, so powerful, Acoustic current generation is different with the old model. I prefer the new version now. Probably because of the plastic ball, they change the material.





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Older FL versions were narrower handle or slimmmer at at the middle of the handle. I don't know if inner carbon acoustics have the same handle.
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Do you know Niitaku can custom made Acoustic Blade ?
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

I trade my Violin ST old tag for a brand new acoustic FL handle. Looks like new regular FL handles are much better than older version so definitely has been corrected and there's no reason to go for L-size version. I'm also planning to go back to Acoustic since i have got a wrist injury and my RWV feels quite heavy with MXP



How is the Accoustic new regular FL handle different/better than the older version ?

 
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I trade my Violin ST old tag for a brand new acoustic FL handle. Looks like new regular FL handles are much better than older version so definitely has been corrected and there's no reason to go for L-size version. I'm also planning to go back to Acoustic since i have got a wrist injury and my RWV feels quite heavy with MXP
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Originally posted by big d big d wrote:

Well sorry for  replying so late. I finally got a chance to hit with the acoustic with h3 and tg3 on both sides. both rubbers were boosted. The combination was fast enough and had good control. The best thing about the setup was that it had superb spin. I was playing against a decent mid pip guy and he was blocking balls off the table regularly. Your biggest problem was about head heaviness and i got bad news for u.The entire setup weighs about 190g. So my suggestion to u would be too have a chinese rubber on only one side. and something softer like donic coppa on the other. the combination would be fairly light,spinny and most of all won't stretch your wallet too much.
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Thanks for your advise. Currently I playing with Evo MXP and Vega Europe and experiencing head heaviness. I assume h3 or tenergy is also heavy like mxp and I will face the same problem.

I tried for 5 minutes m.maze off with 2xt05 and I didn't feel like it heavy however it was approximately around 190 as well.
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