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how's the weight of the uncut rubbers?!?
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Right now I'm out of town, and the rubbers are at home, so I don't know.. I can weigh them when I come back..
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For those who can read Chinese, there's this detailed review here, analysing the technical aspects of this rubber:

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/viewthread.php?tid=283390&extra=page%3D1

One very odd thing is that Sriver G3 and G3FX seems will not be realised in the Japanese market (according to this reviewer). If someone from Japan can confirm this it would be most useful.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dalamchops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/19/2008 at 11:42am
good read, sounds like it. The reason would be that Sriver G3 would clash with Bryce Speed FX's market. The similarity between Bryce Speed and Sriver G3 is scary, besides that G3 is a tiny bit softer.
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So Sriver G3 is soft?
it's a no go then, for me..
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If Sriver G3 is light... than it would be great!
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G3/G3 FX opening
 
 
Well. I got a G3 2.1 red and a G3FX 2.1 black. As we know it is tha max thickness in case of almost all High Tension rubbers. (available in 1.5 and 1.8 thiknesses) The intro says the regular: since 1990 High tension development results the third generation of Sriver, trajectory and power is the the typical Sriver but more spin and speed. There is no word on the glue ban, new rules and built in glue effect
 
 
 
After opening the covering:
G3: the sponge is the same light orange es we got used to. Numbers: "IH-something in Japanese-2.1mm-3AC-0807". Smells like Sriver. I cannot observe any "built in glue effect" softness. Good solid Sriver sponge feeling. ITTF code 14-006
G3 FX: the number differs on the sponge: "3AB-0820". ITTF code: 14-007. I cannot feel so much difference in hardness as it is written onto the covering (38� and 32�)
 
Recently I have been fed up with waterbased glue so I will use Xiom I-PSA that is pressure sensitive and adhesion is different on the sides for wood and glue in rubber to easy removing alligedly
 
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another thing: I will measure them in square form..
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Originally posted by Schlager Schlager wrote:

Right now I'm out of town, and the rubbers are at home, so I don't know.. I can weigh them when I come back..


If possible, it would be great to add the info into the rubber mass database
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G3 2.1 RED 14-006
Uncut dimension:  16,3 � 17,5 cm
Uncut weight: 66g

G3FX 2.1 BLACK 14-007

Uncut dimension:  16,3 � 17,6 cm
Uncut weight: 56g 
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Uncut weight: 66g???? and 56g for FX?
Wow.. what a great difference! and 66g is heavy!
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sure. I measured 2 times on a digital kitchen scale
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what is the hardness?
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66g is about how heavy regular sriver is. Tenergy breaks 70g uncut
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G3: 38�
G3FX: 32�
as the covering says
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PLLsystem, have you play with it yet?
Please let us know when you do.. Wink
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on my site I am obligated for testing :) for sure I will drop the results here on wednesday.
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I put on them with Xiom I-PSA to that blade: http://www.pllsystem.hu/e107_plugins/e_classifieds/images/classifieds/12_20080921200.jpg

Hmm.. promising. Good catapult effect. Promising spin. The FX is simply softer.
I am convinced that Bfly branched out with their "hard and soft" solution like Donic and the others did.
I havent played yet but hit the ball at home :) I'll be back with detailed test.

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Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

66g is about how heavy regular sriver is. Tenergy breaks 70g uncut


I thought regular sriver is around 62g?
sriver fx is around 56g
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G3/G3FX test

1. Stiga Hans Alser 1995 Annyversary wood + XIOM I-PSA gluesheet.

Very comfortable to use I-PSA. You dont need to think about what kind of waterb.glue you used, how thick it is, how to peel off. (Despite of this we will do a test with using waterbased stuff)

Both rubber lacks of the feeling of built in glue effect. Maybe something in FX but it can be caused by the softness. I could feel the High Tension, the rubber works well. The sponge does not. I vote for Spring Sponge style.

G3

1 hour play on FH, then BH. I have not played with Sriver so I cannot say it so authentic: It is like a Sriver. (We will make a comparing test using G3/Sriver on the same wood) Bites the ball, rise it, beautiful flat trajectory, you can place the ball wherever you want. You can easily outline everyting topspin against heavy chops or counterspin. Serves contains lot of spin, your returns are effective and exact.

The only thing I could not do it to put out my opponent. Everything is alike, no variety of strokes, no dinamics. Everything is slow. Using my own racket (Bryce FX glued on 5ply wood) it is predictable: after an opening spin I can keep the opponent under pressure and can end the point with a huge ending spinn. With the test equipment some of "ending spins" were succesful only because my opponent predicted the way of the ball from the movement and the ball went on an absolutelly different way. When I wanted to do a sure finishing stroke I had to hit or hit/spin (but it also was slow). I like that the ball did not fall out in case of short games.

G3 FX

Better glued feeling but not really. Has a bit more dynamic, more catapult effect but less spin, does not rise and bite the ball so much. Real ending spin either cannot be made but the ratio of the spin and speed is better (for me who prefer softer rubbers). Sometimes it could not grab the ball in short game behind the net.

Meanwhile I got a similar blade with a pair of Coppa JO Gold MAX for a rally and I immediatelly felt it was better. More catapult, more dinamics although in short game it works as Donics work.

On Timo Boll Forte + I-PSA (this is our test racket due to its neutrality)

Well, it was easy to change the wood due to Xiom I-PSA. I sum I could observe only one difference: It delivers better resonance and ball contact to my palm. The overall game features of the rubbers had not changed.

Both rubber surely meets ITTF aims. You can play long rallies if you go for these. (Unless timerule is not apllied)

What to do? Glue it up ot tune it up.

There is a slight idea coming into my mind. These are not built in glue effect rubbers just simple 3rd gen. High Tension rubbers. It is maybe the explanation why they do not wire a word on any effect on the covering.

It is your choice: you can glue it or not like a Yasaka GPS

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PLLsystem, and what about trying G3 and G3FX with carbon, carbon arylate or speed hich-tech allwood? in my opinion modern rubbers need very quick blades, with corresponding hardness and catapult especially for mid and long distance play.
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We test rubbers on neutral wood in order to check the rubbers. We tried T05 on Mizutani and you are right. It worked better but in another way the we wanted. We have been looking for the solution with the same feeling as speed glued.
(On Kreanga Aeros T05 rings the bell)
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ok, I�m understand. we also found out that there is difficult but very important to choose suitable blade (adherent to identical or similar speed blade category) with test tensors. We�ll test G3 and Roxon on Hybrid wood and Aeros,  G3FX and Almana Sound Synergy Tech with Kreanga ULC soon (I hope).   

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I totally agree. I think the role of blades has increased recently due to the new rules.
 
First we moved to more flexible blades way but it was wrong way. But another factor came up: the blade face flexibility. I dont know if it is comprehesive. I mean not the bending strength but the flexibility of the plies on their own. (I welcome Xiom with their parameters on the rackets)
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Any news???
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the same question, do you have something new for us PLLsystem?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PLLsystem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/02/2008 at 8:05am
eehhh... nothing special. Nothing has changed. All the same if you stick is onto a bit faster blade with PSA or wb.glue. Feel like no built in glue effect. When you need to persuade the ball these rubbers simply not enough... Very Similar to 2.0 Donic Coppa JO Gold/Silver. (In case of Donics you can have the alternative to buy MAX)
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(for sure a guy tried G3FX with booster.. he said it is very good for flat looping. The rubber really revived)
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you hit the right spot with your comment about speed glue vs non- speed glue Clap
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For some reason, the G2 and G3 doesn't ignite my interest as much as the Tenergy series. Well, I did try the G2 on my friend's blade once but didn't really like it....I'm not too optimistic about G3, but that's just me. Perhaps I can be proven wrong....we'll see...

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